BFTG Leeds

[Old Man Andrews]

That is very harsh and I have it on very good authority that he is extremely upset with some of the things he has read on here from you specifically (I think we know what you are alluding to here). The constant bashing of him is effecting his confidence, like it did Andy Hughes when he was on here.

Nothing you are saying is true and if for whatever reason it is and you aren't being your immature, lying self I don't care. I hope he reads it and then puts in a transfer request.

You are a terrible fan and do not deserve to be let in the stadium. He is quite frankly a club legend and would make it into our best ever squad of all time.

He isn't even in our top 5 greatest right back's of all time you clown.

[NewCorkSeth]

Nothing you are saying is true and if for whatever reason it is and you aren't being your immature, lying self I don't care. I hope he reads it and then puts in a transfer request.

You are a terrible fan and do not deserve to be let in the stadium. He is quite frankly a club legend and would make it into our best ever squad of all time.

He isn't even in our top 5 greatest right back's of all time you clown.

Spin off thread?

[muirinho]

Why would you give a single toss about what someone who is on 15k a week reads on a fan forurm? If he doesn't like to be criticised then he shouldn't be playing professional sport, it comes with the territory. You shouldn't be made to feel bad because Chris Gunter is overly sensitive and quite frankly wet. He is a bang average player who should be a great player and the reason he isn't a great player is because he is complacent and idle. He is happy earning decent money and playing Championship football, he accepts failure and gets over it quickly rather than working to get better and improve. The good and great players work so hard to stay or get to the level they are at, Chris Gunter just doesn't have that in him. Finally if he is that hyper sensitive then he shouldn't read about himself on Twitter or visit fan forums? What is he realisitically expecting to see? We aren't all Welsh and we aren't going to blow smoke up his arse on a daily basis.

He needs to leave the club for his own benefit, his time here is over.

That is very harsh and I have it on very good authority that he is extremely upset with some of the things he has read on here from you specifically (I think we know what you are alluding to here). The constant bashing of him is effecting his confidence, like it did Andy Hughes when he was on here.

Nothing you are saying is true and if for whatever reason it is and you aren't being your immature, lying self I don't care. I hope he reads it and then puts in a transfer request.

Well if he's dumb enough to take a fan-forum seriously, he'd have left long ago. Tbh, he'd have left football altogether. If he puts in a transfer request it will be because Clement doesn't start him enough for his liking and he thinks he can get more football elsewhere.

I would just like a BFTG thread to be about the players on the pitch, and to be a reasonable reflection of how they played. Not an excuse to get in yet another rant about your current scapegoat (especially if they weren't even playing), or lick-arsing your current favourite. There are players I barely comment on, because I am fully aware they annoy me too much for me to be rational about.

And I'd also like booing and jeering to be restricted to the end of games, not during them, and not directed at specific players while they are trying to play.

But if I can't have any of those, world peace and an end to famine would do I guess.

[Kulshaw72RFC]

Nothing you are saying is true and if for whatever reason it is and you aren't being your immature, lying self I don't care. I hope he reads it and then puts in a transfer request.

You are a terrible fan and do not deserve to be let in the stadium. He is quite frankly a club legend and would make it into our best ever squad of all time.

He isn't even in our top 5 greatest right back's of all time you clown.

2nd best behind Murty and there is no discussion to be had. Murty wasn't even THAT good tbh and wouldn't get into the current squad. He was quite average in an a great squad that hid his flaws in a different era of football.

[Old Man Andrews]

You are a terrible fan and do not deserve to be let in the stadium. He is quite frankly a club legend and would make it into our best ever squad of all time.

He isn't even in our top 5 greatest right back's of all time you clown.

2nd best behind Murty and there is no discussion to be had. Murty wasn't even THAT good tbh and wouldn't get into the current squad. He was quite average in an a great squad that hid his flaws in a different era of football.

You clearly do not know enough about the club or football in general to enter into a debate. You are extremely thick if you genuinely believe what you are saying.

[72 bus]

You are a terrible fan and do not deserve to be let in the stadium. He is quite frankly a club legend and would make it into our best ever squad of all time.

He isn't even in our top 5 greatest right back's of all time you clown.

2nd best behind Murty and there is no discussion to be had. Murty wasn't even THAT good tbh and wouldn't get into the current squad. He was quite average in an a great squad that hid his flaws in a different era of football.

This is a proper full back, he would be happy to have a "discussion" with you.

[Tilehurstsouthbank]

I will openly admit I'm biased against Gunts. I just don't like the way he plays the game. And URZZZZ is totally right, I'm keyed in to notice his errors and what I don't like.

But since I saw him on the way to London the other week, he's more of a real person to me, so I'm making an effort to be less shitty in case he does read HNA and because I feel bad. I've always tried to be relatively objective, but it's hard when someone's whole approach frustrates you.

Perfectly adequate back up full back.

Why would you give a single toss about what someone who is on 15k a week reads on a fan forurm? If he doesn't like to be criticised then he shouldn't be playing professional sport, it comes with the territory. You shouldn't be made to feel bad because Chris Gunter is overly sensitive and quite frankly wet. He is a bang average player who should be a great player and the reason he isn't a great player is because he is complacent and idle. He is happy earning decent money and playing Championship football, he accepts failure and gets over it quickly rather than working to get better and improve. The good and great players work so hard to stay or get to the level they are at, Chris Gunter just doesn't have that in him. Finally if he is that hyper sensitive then he shouldn't read about himself on Twitter or visit fan forums? What is he realisitically expecting to see? We aren't all Welsh and we aren't going to blow smoke up his arse on a daily basis.

He needs to leave the club for his own benefit, his time here is over.

That's a bit harsh OMA. The one thing you can always say about Gunts is he's a model professional. He is however a little limited as a fullback as he lets to many offensive situations (crosses, marauding wingers) get through.
I think the fact he has competition this season at RB has seriously dented his confidence, but he needs to roll up his sleeves and embrace the challenge. I still think he has a future at Reading.

[Tilehurstsouthbank]

You are a terrible fan and do not deserve to be let in the stadium. He is quite frankly a club legend and would make it into our best ever squad of all time.

He isn't even in our top 5 greatest right back's of all time you clown.

2nd best behind Murty and there is no discussion to be had. Murty wasn't even THAT good tbh and wouldn't get into the current squad. He was quite average in an a great squad that hid his flaws in a different era of football.

Does your knowledge of Reading FC only go as far back as 2005?

[Snowflake Royal]

I will openly admit I'm biased against Gunts. I just don't like the way he plays the game. And URZZZZ is totally right, I'm keyed in to notice his errors and what I don't like.

But since I saw him on the way to London the other week, he's more of a real person to me, so I'm making an effort to be less shitty in case he does read HNA and because I feel bad. I've always tried to be relatively objective, but it's hard when someone's whole approach frustrates you.

Perfectly adequate back up full back.

Why would you give a single toss about what someone who is on 15k a week reads on a fan forurm? If he doesn't like to be criticised then he shouldn't be playing professional sport, it comes with the territory. You shouldn't be made to feel bad because Chris Gunter is overly sensitive and quite frankly wet. He is a bang average player who should be a great player and the reason he isn't a great player is because he is complacent and idle. He is happy earning decent money and playing Championship football, he accepts failure and gets over it quickly rather than working to get better and improve. The good and great players work so hard to stay or get to the level they are at, Chris Gunter just doesn't have that in him. Finally if he is that hyper sensitive then he shouldn't read about himself on Twitter or visit fan forums? What is he realisitically expecting to see? We aren't all Welsh and we aren't going to blow smoke up his arse on a daily basis.

He needs to leave the club for his own benefit, his time here is over.

It's called empathy and decency.

Football is rife with mental health issues and earning stupid money doesn't solve that. Gunter's always struck me as a nice guy who is trying hard, which I don't think deserves abuse.

[Old Man Andrews]

I will openly admit I'm biased against Gunts. I just don't like the way he plays the game. And URZZZZ is totally right, I'm keyed in to notice his errors and what I don't like.

But since I saw him on the way to London the other week, he's more of a real person to me, so I'm making an effort to be less shitty in case he does read HNA and because I feel bad. I've always tried to be relatively objective, but it's hard when someone's whole approach frustrates you.

Perfectly adequate back up full back.

Why would you give a single toss about what someone who is on 15k a week reads on a fan forurm? If he doesn't like to be criticised then he shouldn't be playing professional sport, it comes with the territory. You shouldn't be made to feel bad because Chris Gunter is overly sensitive and quite frankly wet. He is a bang average player who should be a great player and the reason he isn't a great player is because he is complacent and idle. He is happy earning decent money and playing Championship football, he accepts failure and gets over it quickly rather than working to get better and improve. The good and great players work so hard to stay or get to the level they are at, Chris Gunter just doesn't have that in him. Finally if he is that hyper sensitive then he shouldn't read about himself on Twitter or visit fan forums? What is he realisitically expecting to see? We aren't all Welsh and we aren't going to blow smoke up his arse on a daily basis.

He needs to leave the club for his own benefit, his time here is over.

It's called empathy and decency.

Football is rife with mental health issues and earning stupid money doesn't solve that. Gunter's always struck me as a nice guy who is trying hard, which I don't think deserves abuse.

Saying he is a very poor player and shouldn't be at the club isn't abuse. How the hell would you know if he has mental issues or not btw? What difference does that make to critiquing his footballing ability? If you want to play professionally and make a living partly funded by the supporters who pay to see you then you are fair game. The line however is crossed when supporters attack him on a personal level or make references to his sexuality. That is wrong and borderline illegal in some cases and the police should be involved.

[Snowflake Royal]

You are a terrible fan and do not deserve to be let in the stadium. He is quite frankly a club legend and would make it into our best ever squad of all time.

He isn't even in our top 5 greatest right back's of all time you clown.

2nd best behind Murty and there is no discussion to be had. Murty wasn't even THAT good tbh and wouldn't get into the current squad. He was quite average in an a great squad that hid his flaws in a different era of football.

Andy's Griffin, Bernal and Yiadom would like have a word. Jeff Hopkins also isn't very happy with you and I suspect there are more.

[Old Man Andrews]

He isn't even in our top 5 greatest right back's of all time you clown.

2nd best behind Murty and there is no discussion to be had. Murty wasn't even THAT good tbh and wouldn't get into the current squad. He was quite average in an a great squad that hid his flaws in a different era of football.

Andy's Griffin, Bernal and Yiadom would like have a word. Jeff Hopkins also isn't very happy with you and I suspect there are more.

Andy's Griffin? I remember him well! Flying up and down the wing he was.

[genome]

Rare 'greed with Ian on this one.

I will never understand why some people think football players aren't human beings just because they earn a certain amount of money, and that it gives them carte blanche to abuse them.

[Old Man Andrews]

Rare 'greed with Ian on this one.

I will never understand why some people think football players aren't human beings just because they earn a certain amount of money, and that it gives them carte blanche to abuse them.

It isn't abuse to say someone is not very good.

[Snowflake Royal]

Rare 'greed with Ian on this one.

I will never understand why some people think football players aren't human beings just because they earn a certain amount of money, and that it gives them carte blanche to abuse them.

It isn't abuse to say someone is not very good.

So why did you argue with me then? Seeing as I never said it was.

[genome]

Rare 'greed with Ian on this one.

I will never understand why some people think football players aren't human beings just because they earn a certain amount of money, and that it gives them carte blanche to abuse them.

It isn't abuse to say someone is not very good.

It depends how you vocalise your opinion that he's not very good

You've been to matches OMA, you must've heard some of the bile that some supporters hurl at our players

[Old Man Andrews]

Rare 'greed with Ian on this one.

I will never understand why some people think football players aren't human beings just because they earn a certain amount of money, and that it gives them carte blanche to abuse them.

It isn't abuse to say someone is not very good.

It depends how you vocalise your opinion that he's not very good

You've been to matches OMA, you must've heard some of the bile that some supporters hurl at our players

Which is what I said to Ian. If you want to get personal or use homophobic remarks towards him then it is illegal and you should be arrested. If you are shouting things like "Gunter you're shit" or doing what I did which was to basically say he isn't very good and should leave I think that is fair enough. It is part and parcel of being a footballer or anyone in the spotlight, some people are not going to like what you do or rate you.

[NewCorkSeth]

Jesus Christ have we not ran out of Gunter discussion topics yet? Let's talk about someone else for a bit. How about we talk about Ilori.

What does everyone think about Ilori?

[Tilehurstsouthbank]

It isn't abuse to say someone is not very good.

It depends how you vocalise your opinion that he's not very good

You've been to matches OMA, you must've heard some of the bile that some supporters hurl at our players

Which is what I said to Ian. If you want to get personal or use homophobic remarks towards him then it is illegal and you should be arrested. If you are shouting things like "Gunter you're shit" or doing what I did which was to basically say he isn't very good and should leave I think that is fair enough. It is part and parcel of being a footballer or anyone in the spotlight, some people are not going to like what you do or rate you.

Tbh, no matter how badly a player performs, I think openly criticising your own team's players (whilst at a game for sure) is counter productive. I've never seen anyone's game improve after a fan shouted "Oi *insert player name*, you're shit!"

[Victor Meldrew]

There is something seriously wrong with the attitude of our players but hopefully with the two new lads promoted from the U23s who seem to have a good attitude and maybe a few additions in the transfer window we will survive at this level this season.
Gunter IMHO is one of the root causes of our demise and I would like to see him go.

By the way, somebody pointing out the inadequecy of a player is not an idiot nor an "under-achiever", he or she is saying what they see and what we see is certain players (currently Aluko and Gunter)who are just not good enough despite many international caps and a large unwarranted transfer fee.
That is not "hating" and is quite acceptable on a forum such as this-it is the job of the coaching staff to get the best out of the players not ours.

BTW haven't you noticed that we are a point above the relegation spot so clearly all is not well?.

And in the first 5 games, when Gunter was injured and not playing, we got 2 points from 15.

At this rate, after he leaves, you'll be blaming results for the next 10 years on his residual influence.

Get a grip.

No single player, no matter how much you might dislike him, is going to be a "root cause" of an entire team's results.
He didn't stop a moderate Wales team punching seriously above their weight in Euro 16.
He didn't stop Reading getting to within a penalty shootout of the Premier League.
He didn't stop Reading getting to only their second ever FA Cup semi-final.

He is not the bringer of the Apocalypse.

You're just making yourself look pathetic.

So Murinho (or is it Welsh Chris?) you presumably are suggesting that if all our other players were as good as him (you?) we would be storming this league-if any of your statements have any relevance to where we are now at.
I form my opinion from what I see on the pitch and what I see is the worst right-back since Andy Gurney and a player that Giggs has now dropped for Wales , preferring to play a young midfielder there instead.

Spurs thought he had potential, Forest thought he had potential, but both were happy for him to leave and , like a lot of others, I had hoped for more from the £2,000,000 spent.
Hopefully Clement will drop him again as we need more than what he offers and the same goes for Aluko and Swift at the moment.