O'Dea on his time at Reading

[johnnym]

excellent post vision

[Hoop Blah]

Spot on Vision.

If you can't manage you manager you don't go far in most walks of life, Rodgers may well have fallen foul of that being an issue...only Dirk knows for sure though.

[Dirk Gently]

To be fair Dirk, you only know exactly what you've been told happened...

Absolutely, but I've been told it by people who certainly know the facts, and everything they've told me in the past has also turned out to be true. What they've told me also fits with what I've seen with my own eyes, and also makes perfect sense to me in the context I've observed it.

I'm big enough and ugly enough to be able to use my own judgement to discriminate what i believe in, and in this case I have no doubts whatsoever.

So whilst it may not be true, personally I don't believe that anyone would go to the trouble of fabricating it just for my benefit - Occam's Razor, and all that.

[Hoop Blah]

I'm sure you apply you judgement wisely Dirk...perhaps I shoud've inserted a smiley in the original reply!

[Millsy]

The 05/06 season where we were virtually sold out for the 2nd half of the season we lost just under £7m.

We had no players on Premiership wages or anywhere near it yet still lost that amount of money. Why do people find it so perplexing that in order to gain any type of stability we need to go back to that type of wage bill again?

Good post, good arguments, good logic, but unfortunately founded on an irrelevant fact and ignoring the slightly significant Premiership years!!!!

You're for some reason ignoring the huge TV sums, virtual sell-outs every game, big parachute payments, and several huge player sales in all this!

I don't understand why we keep going back and forth trying to discuss irrelevant stats to justify what is blatantly happenig at the club.

relatively well run Champ club, despite alleged losses ---> Prem with LOTS of money coming in but hardly any spent for some reason -----> everything sold off and now fighting relegation

[Thaumagurist*]

Prem with LOTS of money coming in but hardly any spent for some reason

Er, we'd didn't "hardly spend any" - we did spend loads on the wage bill. And not forgetting the 4-5 million spent on the likes of Fae and Halford.

[The whole year inn]

but if BR had undermined the board in the same way to other players then its no surprise that he would find his relationship with them strained to say the least.

Within 2 minutes of the final whistle after the Preston game, whether we stay up or not the truth behind Brendan Rodgers will come out. No club has not and will not go near him

[Stranded]

The 05/06 season where we were virtually sold out for the 2nd half of the season we lost just under £7m.

We had no players on Premiership wages or anywhere near it yet still lost that amount of money. Why do people find it so perplexing that in order to gain any type of stability we need to go back to that type of wage bill again?

Good post, good arguments, good logic, but unfortunately founded on an irrelevant fact and ignoring the slightly significant Premiership years!!!!

You're for some reason ignoring the huge TV sums, virtual sell-outs every game, big parachute payments, and several huge player sales in all this!

I don't understand why we keep going back and forth trying to discuss irrelevant stats to justify what is blatantly happenig at the club.

relatively well run Champ club, despite alleged losses ---> Prem with LOTS of money coming in but hardly any spent for some reason -----> everything sold off and now fighting relegation

But aren't you there conveniently ignoring, the hike in wages for players during those years, the money put into infrastructure etc - isn't a published fact that in the first year in the Prem we only made a £6m profit - so not even offsetting the previous years losses (not even adding in the losses made in previous seasons).

The age old conclusion by most is that just as we've been in the Prem and had lots of money flowing in we should be more flush that we are - completely forgetting that a large chunk of it would have gone on wages and the fact that prior to those years we'd not made a profit for many, many a year.

[Ian Royal]

Spot on Stranded.

It's not easy to make the figures stack up, but only because we don't know precise amounts and how everything is accounted for.

Look at it from a distance dispassionately and it's actually pretty clear to see where all the money has gone.

People just don't think hard enough about it to see it, or ignore it because it doesn't fit in with their agenda in needing a scapegoat for our misfortunes.

[andrew1957]

To be fair Dirk, you only know exactly what you've been told happened...

Absolutely, but I've been told it by people who certainly know the facts, and everything they've told me in the past has also turned out to be true. What they've told me also fits with what I've seen with my own eyes, and also makes perfect sense to me in the context I've observed it.

I'm big enough and ugly enough to be able to use my own judgement to discriminate what i believe in, and in this case I have no doubts whatsoever.

So whilst it may not be true, personally I don't believe that anyone would go to the trouble of fabricating it just for my benefit - Occam's Razor, and all that.

Hi Dirk

I for one have followed your posts and recognise that you are one of the few sane and sensible people posting on here. Exactly what is your take on what happened on the 16th Dec? You have I am sure posted elsewhere but not sure exactly where to look.

[peterroyal76]

Irish player in supports Irish manager shock! meaningless...............without facts!

What a stupid comment - so all English players support all English managers do they?

Besides, O'Dea's Irish, Rodgers is British.

+1

[Mr Optimist]

Is it Derry or Londonderry?

Is Brendan an irish or British name?

Is Brendan Catholic or Protestant?

and again, is Brendan Irish or British??!!

[Archie's penalty]

Look just tell us what happened Dirkerz!

[Dorset-Knob]

Irish player in supports Irish manager shock! meaningless...............without facts!

What a stupid comment - so all English players support all English managers do they?

Besides, O'Dea's Irish, Rodgers is British.

+1

They can draw as many lines on as many maps as they wish, Ireland is Ireland and the 'meaningless without facts' is the relevant part of my post.

None of us know why DO said what he said and my comment has as much validity as anybody else's without facts, guesswork.

Does that help you to follow the gist?

[Franchise FC]

If only the FACTs that Hobnobbers spouted as FACTS were real FACTS (that sounds a bit Rafa-Rant)

Let's see if I can try one :

FACT - we will win our next ten games and escape the drop easily.

Let me know how it gets on !!

[Dick Habbin's hairdo]

As much as I only really value Dirk on here for inside comment - albeit cloaked in self defence - and Strap for erudite reasoning, I still have two burning questions:

1) What ~did~ happen on 16th Dec and, subsequently, why wouldn't any other club go near BR either before or after?

2) Where ~did~ all the Prem money go - coz our wage bill wasn't excessive, certainly given the transfers in and out and our subsequent signifiant "profit" on transfers?

[Franchise FC]

If only the FACTs that Hobnobbers spouted as FACTS were real FACTS (that sounds a bit Rafa-Rant)

Let's see if I can try one :

FACT - we will win our next ten games and escape the drop easily.

Let me know how it gets on !!

FACT - only nine to go

[warrpp]

2) Where ~did~ all the Prem money go - coz our wage bill wasn't excessive, certainly given the transfers in and out and our subsequent signifcant "profit" on transfers?[/quote]

think the accounts for those years showed that our wage bill for the premiership was £31 million the first season, and £35 million the second.

tv money worked out at around £30 million per season (plus appearance money for games screened),if thats accurate, then it not hard to see where that money went.

£12 million in player sales this pre-season, £9 milion of that went in re-paying overdraft to bank and £3 million went on players bought.

at least that's how i understand it ?

anyway,back to the thread topic

if it was either of the NH's that o'dea was alluding to as being the problem, seems strange that coppell managed to work with them both for 5-6 years, and yet rodgers is here 6 months and has no end of grief.

his brief was to get results on the pitch and he failed to do that.

signing players and not then playing half of them ,mills (spends £2 million on him then plays him 6 times,) cummings, and o'dea himself,plus chopping and changing the team and formation every week, was a major reasons for not acheiving any kind of consistency.

that's not down to any outside interference, that's down to the manager not doing what he was paid to do (achieve results).

hell, if palace & watford players can live with not being payed on time several times this season and the constant financial threat to their clubs and can still put in performances, then anything either of the NH's might be doing wrong in the background cannot and should not be used as an excuse for the poor level of performances this season.

if it was a simple case of someone new at the club (on the administration/boardroom side of things) with different methods than the people before, then maybe you could pinpoint that as when things started to go wrong.

but seeing as both of them were at the club during the successful period of the clubs history, then what could they doing wrong now, that they weren't doing before ?

i just don't get all this "outside interference" mullarkey, affecting the performances on the pitch,to the extent that is being suggested.

[FiNeRaIn]

Is it Derry or Londonderry?

Is Brendan an irish or British name?

Is Brendan Catholic or Protestant?

and again, is Brendan Irish or British??!!

Who gives a s**t? totally irrelevant to the thread.

[RoyalBlue]

2) Where ~did~ all the Prem money go - coz our wage bill wasn't excessive, certainly given the transfers in and out and our subsequent signifcant "profit" on transfers?

think the accounts for those years showed that our wage bill for the premiership was £31 million the first season, and £35 million the second.

tv money worked out at around £30 million per season (plus appearance money for games screened),if thats accurate, then it not hard to see where that money went.

£12 million in player sales this pre-season, £9 milion of that went in re-paying overdraft to bank and £3 million went on players bought.

at least that's how i understand it ?

anyway,back to the thread topic

if it was either of the NH's that o'dea was alluding to as being the problem, seems strange that coppell managed to work with them both for 5-6 years, and yet rodgers is here 6 months and has no end of grief.

his brief was to get results on the pitch and he failed to do that.

signing players and not then playing half of them ,mills (spends £2 million on him then plays him 6 times,) cummings, and o'dea himself,plus chopping and changing the team and formation every week, was a major reasons for not acheiving any kind of consistency.

that's not down to any outside interference, that's down to the manager not doing what he was paid to do (achieve results).

hell, if palace & watford players can live with not being payed on time several times this season and the constant financial threat to their clubs and can still put in performances, then anything either of the NH's might be doing wrong in the background cannot and should not be used as an excuse for the poor level of performances this season.

if it was a simple case of someone new at the club (on the administration/boardroom side of things) with different methods than the people before, then maybe you could pinpoint that as when things started to go wrong.

but seeing as both of them were at the club during the successful period of the clubs history, then what could they doing wrong now, that they weren't doing before ?

.[/quote]

You are conveniently overlooking the fact that Howe was also at the club and in day to day charge of things during a dire period in our history too.

Coppell was with us during the successful period of the club's history too but for whatever reason performances and success dropped off.

Coppell is no longer with us, Madejski, Howe and Hammond are. They are the common thread throughout the past three seasons of disappointment, culminating in our current dire position in the league and therefore have to take a lot of the blame.

BTW, in explaining where the money went, you conveniently overlook all other sources of income and, if wages really were that high, it would seem we weren't being quite as financially prudent as Howe was claiming at the time.