"How shit must you be, we're winning away"

[AthleticoSpizz]

quote] give up Spizz

So I suppose if we had 'done a Derby' and finished way bottom you would still think it's our second best season ever? Pinch me or has the concept of effectively competing and winning games been discounted from the 'good season / bad season' calculator?
No problems with stating the obvious Spizzzz - sounds like someone's got to put you right [/quote]

G'arn then, just one more post before I give up on this thread.

Regardless of Derby.......... or where we eventually finish

this will STILL be our second best season ever

like it or not............its a fact

(I think you are maybe confusing our (Reading FC's) best season with you own personal favourite seasons folks)

[Platypuss]

Why should highest finishing position necessarily equate to best season?

I'd certainly argue that a season where you end up playing in the Premiership the next year is better than one where you end up playing in the Championship.

[AthleticoSpizz]

Why should highest finishing position necessarily equate to best season?

because (this season) it will be our second best season ever

[Ian Royal]

Why should highest finishing position necessarily equate to best season?

I'd certainly argue that a season where you end up playing in the Premiership the next year is better than one where you end up playing in the Championship.

Because rating it on anything else is purely subjective and relies on context. So season with most wins wouldn't work, because you could have spent most of the time as a club in tier 2, but the most wins were when you dropped down to tier 4 once.

Highest Football League placing is really the only way to do it. Favourite or most enjoyable seasons would be something else.

[AthleticoSpizz]

eloquently put Ian, TY

[Platypuss]

Why should highest finishing position necessarily equate to best season?

I'd certainly argue that a season where you end up playing in the Premiership the next year is better than one where you end up playing in the Championship.

Because rating it on anything else is purely subjective and relies on context. So season with most wins wouldn't work, because you could have spent most of the time as a club in tier 2, but the most wins were when you dropped down to tier 4 once.

Highest Football League placing is really the only way to do it. Favourite or most enjoyable seasons would be something else.

Why do you consider my example to be insufficiently objective?

Alternatively:

Which is the better season - 14th in premiership vs 15th in premiership and win FA Cup. Good luck with trying to argue it's the former!

[Ian Royal]

Why should highest finishing position necessarily equate to best season?

I'd certainly argue that a season where you end up playing in the Premiership the next year is better than one where you end up playing in the Championship.

Because rating it on anything else is purely subjective and relies on context. So season with most wins wouldn't work, because you could have spent most of the time as a club in tier 2, but the most wins were when you dropped down to tier 4 once.

Highest Football League placing is really the only way to do it. Favourite or most enjoyable seasons would be something else.

Why do you consider my example to be insufficiently objective?

Alternatively:

Which is the better season - 14th in premiership vs 15th in premiership and win FA Cup. Good luck with trying to argue it's the former!

Winning silverware is of course another matter entirely. Any season where we win a major tournament would have to be up there. I just ignored it becuase it's so ridiculously unlikely and complicates things more.

I would say our most successful seasons ever would be:
8th in Prem
??th in Prem
1st in Championship
2nd in Division 1 losing in the play off final
Season we won the Simod Cup - only this low becuase it was a fairly short lived cup that few have heard of and argueably wasn't taken very seriously.

Should we get relegated and finish 15th in the Championship, but win the FA Cup, that would be a toss up between 1st and 2nd. League cup would be 2nd. IMO. As you can see, adding cups makes things very subjective again.

Thats my thoughts. Fair enough if you disagree.

[Daniella]

So what people are saying is this.

Reading Played 38 Won 0 Drawn 0 lost 38 Goals for 5 Goals against 103 Position in table 20th

That would equate to our "second best season ever" get a life, seriously.

[Ian Royal]

So what people are saying is this.

Reading Played 38 Won 0 Drawn 0 lost 38 Goals for 5 Goals against 103 Position in table 20th

That would equate to our "second best season ever" get a life, seriously.

Not really given we've won 8 and drawn a similar amount. So your scenario is totally irrelivant. Especially seeing as no team has ever not won a game in a season, or so I understand it.

[Platypuss]

Winning silverware is of course another matter entirely. Any season where we win a major tournament would have to be up there.

Ahem. "Why should highest finishing position necessarily equate to best season?"

If we get relegated and Cardiff win the FA Cup, who's had the better season?

No point in being a slave to an objective criterion when it's fatally flawed!

[Platypuss]

So what people are saying is this.

Reading Played 38 Won 0 Drawn 0 lost 38 Goals for 5 Goals against 103 Position in table 20th

That would equate to our "second best season ever" get a life, seriously.

So your scenario is totally irrelivant.

No it's not - by your criteria that would be our third best season ever. Regardless of making us the biggest laughing stock in the history of football.

Reckon any Sunderland fans think 2002/03 was better than 1972/73?

[Ian Royal]

Winning silverware is of course another matter entirely. Any season where we win a major tournament would have to be up there. I just ignored it becuase it's so ridiculously unlikely and complicates things more.

Ahem. "Why should highest finishing position necessarily equate to best season?"

If we get relegated and Cardiff win the FA Cup, who's had the better season?

Oooh, looks like your lovely objective criteria are getting all subjective.

What's anyone elses season got to do with it? This is clearly going to be our second best season ever, we have never won the FA Cup or League Cup and we're unlikey to in the forseeable future.

Throw silverware in and it makes things more complicated again as I said. Second highest season finish is second best season, because we have no other seasons with anything to beat it. If we do, then we can have a rethink.

[Platypuss]

So you have an objective criterion which only applies to Reading FC and what you think we can achieve. I see.

[Platypuss]

Second highest season finish is second best season, because we have no other seasons with anything to beat it.

Go go go gadget circular argument!

[Man Friday]

Ultimately, of course, it all depends on how you define "best". This will be our second best position in the league, de facto. However, most people would define "best" when considering their football team's plight as "most enjoyable" and this is, of course, subjective, although I suspect most people would plonk for 2005/06.

[Stranded]

Surely it will be our second best ever league season when based purely on finishing position, ie we will be at worst the 19th best team in the country at worst this season.

Obviously there are many other facets that make it impossible to say what is/was our best ever season but on pure placings alone this will be our 2nd best season, certainly not the 2nd most enjoyable.

[Royal Rother]

Was that an interesting debate or an exercise in futility?

[Sir Rodney Effing]

Come on folks, 2nd best season ever etc - it's hardly though our skill THIS season that we are in the Premier in the first place. That is why I do not consider this to be our 2nd best season, before we even start on the naffness of Fulham and Bolton doing doubles over us and so on. Yes, I understand your argument, but nah, I'm afraid I can't agree with it. This season we have been..........woeful, ergo, it cannot be : our second best season.

[brendywendy]

it is though

[Royal Rother]

What was the "tune" they sang the thread title to...? (It's driving me mad that I can't remember!)