"One More Player"

259 posts
User avatar
Nick Shorey my Lord!
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 1792
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 09:27
Location: 42

Re: "One More Player"

by Nick Shorey my Lord! » 01 Sep 2010 13:25

LoyalRoyalFan Madejski has pocketed over 7million quid yesterday.


Please demonstrate, with facts, where Madejski has taken money from the operating balance sheet of RFC.

User avatar
sheshnu
Member
Posts: 811
Joined: 04 Feb 2005 00:01

Re: "One More Player"

by sheshnu » 01 Sep 2010 13:25

Jeffers217 I really hope that means he sells up quick


Who is buying??!!

Jeffers217
Member
Posts: 387
Joined: 12 Oct 2004 10:58

Re: "One More Player"

by Jeffers217 » 01 Sep 2010 13:29

ZacNaloen Christ, this is the same argument as the last time sold a player for millions.

We had a four million deficit in the budget.

It is not sold by one big player going because the fee will only save you for one year, without seeing the accounts we don't know how much of that deficit has been plugged, we would hope by now all of it.


It's my personal feeling that the club is being more sensible than splurging the money on the first signing that becomes available and i'd be very surprised if some of this money hasnt been set aside so we actually have something to spend in January as well.


The club are not being sensible- they are playing a very dangerous game. The warning signs were there last season until we decided to do something about it in Jan. If the cloth cutting continues then relegation is inevitable and then there will be NO money whatsoever as attendances will rapidly drop in League 1. If they kept The Sig, signed Kish on loan and signed a decent striker we would most likely have been promoted this season and then we wouldn't have to keep funding our club by selling our best players as we would be gettign a lot of money if in Premiership. Sometimes in life you have to risk a minnute amount to reap massive benefits. We ent prepared to do that and it will cost us which personally makes me feel pretty dejected by the whole thing. I think fans have the absolute right to voice their opinions- season-ticket holders who spend their money to keep the club going and get nothing for that- now that deserves a response in my opinion

User avatar
brendywendy
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 12060
Joined: 04 Aug 2006 15:29
Location: coming straight outa crowthorne

Re: "One More Player"

by brendywendy » 01 Sep 2010 13:33

Jeffers217
brendywendy
Sir Dodger Royal Jonny confirms on twitter that Hendrie is the third potential signing. Wind up merchant unlike Sir Dodger.

Surely the fans should boo Madejski big time at the next match. How ever being a bunch of morons they won't have the balls to say a wordddddddddddd



id say the people booing are the morons- proven by the fact you are supporting them


You have to hit Madejski where it hurts and that's in his pocket- I imagine if 3000 fans decided not to go for the season he'd soon catch on to the fact that we aren't happy. Booing will only serve to destroy the confidence of the few quality players we do actually have left here. I'm fully up for BOOING when he next comes on the pitch though, which I imagine won't be for a while. The Forest game he got a mixed reception, the fans are turning on him now- I really hope that means he sells up quick



the fans digracefully turned on him two years ago at the first sight of trouble and started booing and demanding where has all the money gone- and this is what we get as a result

Snowball
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 20782
Joined: 02 Jan 2009 18:35

Re: "One More Player"

by Snowball » 01 Sep 2010 13:34

Jeffers217 If they kept The Sig, signed Kish on loan and signed a decent striker we would most likely have been promoted this season and then we wouldn't have to keep funding our club by selling our best players as we would be gettign a lot of money if in Premiership. Sometimes in life you have to risk a minnute amount to reap massive benefits. We ent prepared to do that and it will cost us which personally makes me feel pretty dejected by the whole thing. I think fans have the absolute right to voice their opinions- season-ticket holders who spend their money to keep the club going and get nothing for that- now that deserves a response in my opinion



Keeping Gylfi "costs" £7,000,000 plus his wages (at least 10K a week, new contract?) = £7,520,000


Kish we'd probably have to pay all his wages, say 15K a week (at least)? £780,000 (and it was rumoured they wanted a fee...)

A striker, 10K a week and probably 500K to buy £1,00,020

£7,520,000
£0,780,000
£1,000,020

£9,300,000 NINE MILLION PLUS!


User avatar
Row Z Royal
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 10365
Joined: 07 Jan 2006 20:01
Location: LOLandmarks come and go. There'll only ever be one "Clickety Clique"

Re: "One More Player"

by Row Z Royal » 01 Sep 2010 13:34

Jeffers217 If they kept The Sig, signed Kish on loan and signed a decent striker we would most likely have been promoted this season and then we wouldn't have to keep funding our club by selling our best players as we would be gettign a lot of money if in Premiership.


Promotion was always a distant dream this season and not even worth talking about.

However, the budget didn't allow for taking Zurab on loan but the money from the Sig sale frees up the cash for his wages.

Loan players don't cost nothing.

User avatar
ZacNaloen
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 7239
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 13:34
Location: 'If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color.' -Mark Schnitzius

Re: "One More Player"

by ZacNaloen » 01 Sep 2010 13:35

Selling a player for millions, and using some of those funds to correct an imbalance in defense whilst looking at loan options in a weeks time is about as sensible as you can be without spending your entire budget for the year in one window.


We just aren't flush with cash, and that's that really.


The only warning signs we had in the first half of last season were a distinct lack of balance across the pitch, pretty much exlusively in defense and a result poor performances across the pitch. An issue we still had at the beginning of this season, and has again been plugged.

We were scoring just fine when Gylfi wasn't on the field because the squad balance was right, and the defense was solid.

With these signings, hopefully that will be the case now. They are simply using past experience and analysis to take calculated risks... that's all you can do in football unless you have an unlimited budget to have unlimited options.

Yorkshire Royal
Member
Posts: 630
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 10:02

Re: "One More Player"

by Yorkshire Royal » 01 Sep 2010 13:41

Jeffers217
ZacNaloen Christ, this is the same argument as the last time sold a player for millions.

We had a four million deficit in the budget.

It is not sold by one big player going because the fee will only save you for one year, without seeing the accounts we don't know how much of that deficit has been plugged, we would hope by now all of it.


It's my personal feeling that the club is being more sensible than splurging the money on the first signing that becomes available and i'd be very surprised if some of this money hasnt been set aside so we actually have something to spend in January as well.


The club are not being sensible- they are playing a very dangerous game. The warning signs were there last season until we decided to do something about it in Jan. If the cloth cutting continues then relegation is inevitable and then there will be NO money whatsoever as attendances will rapidly drop in League 1. If they kept The Sig, signed Kish on loan and signed a decent striker we would most likely have been promoted this season and then we wouldn't have to keep funding our club by selling our best players as we would be gettign a lot of money if in Premiership. Sometimes in life you have to risk a minnute amount to reap massive benefits. We ent prepared to do that and it will cost us which personally makes me feel pretty dejected by the whole thing. I think fans have the absolute right to voice their opinions- season-ticket holders who spend their money to keep the club going and get nothing for that- now that deserves a response in my opinion


Mr Madejski is not prepared to risk anymore of his personal money on this club. He is not as cash rich as any of you believe. His money is tied up in Commercial Property (down 40%) and his other companies (mostly loosing money). So when you are talking about "we aren't prepared to do that" what you are in fact is saying "he is not prepared to risk anymore of HIS personal wealth". How much do you want him to spend? Plug the 4m defecit and then maybe another 4m on players/wages? So 8m in total? Assuming he has anywhere near 32m left in liquid assets (I doubt he even has that), thats 25% of his personal wealth.

Why should he? It's about time to accept we are not bankrolled by a rich sugar daddy, nor are we supported by a strong business. The club loses money every year (like 90% of all clubs, easily) and our chairman no longer has the wealth to prop up the club AND invest greatly. That's life, deal with it.

And before you all start going on, sell the club now tight arse, he can only sell the club if he has a buyer. And who would want a business that loses money every year. We're not Chelsea, we're not Man City, we're not Villa and we're not Man Utd. We dont have a brand, or history or even a chance to get TV revenue when the clubs start selling their own rightss.

We either find another local benefactor who wants to lose money every year, we mortgage the club on the gamble of future sucess(worked well for Leeds etc), or we run a tight ship and accept life isnt like Championship Manager.

howser
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 1651
Joined: 29 Sep 2004 20:27
Location: moray scotland

Re: "One More Player"

by howser » 01 Sep 2010 13:44

No disrespect to Lee Hendrie but when JF came on saying one more tomorrow I had high hopes that we were actually going to buck our recent trend and invest in some experienced talent..........daft really, !! There is of course a positive slight that you can put on the signings of Harte and Hendrie, at least we are building solid foundations to have a good League 1 side.


Tony Le Mesmer
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 3404
Joined: 17 Jun 2005 20:37
Location: Dundee in my bare feet

Re: "One More Player"

by Tony Le Mesmer » 01 Sep 2010 13:57

Nick Shorey my Lord!
LoyalRoyalFan Madejski has pocketed over 7million quid yesterday.


Please demonstrate, with facts, where Madejski has taken money from the operating balance sheet of RFC.


Shifting personal debt on the hotel onto the club? Ot to be more preicse, using cash from player sales to cut losses on the side of the "business".
Last edited by Tony Le Mesmer on 01 Sep 2010 13:59, edited 1 time in total.

Big Foot
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 8336
Joined: 30 Jun 2008 15:19
Location: #MagicOfTheCup #RoadToWembley

Re: "One More Player"

by Big Foot » 01 Sep 2010 13:58

Jeffers217 You have to hit Madejski where it hurts and that's in his pocket- I imagine if 3000 fans decided not to go for the season he'd soon catch on to the fact that we aren't happy.

I enjoy going to watch Reading, I even enjoyed some of the games under Brendan Rodgers!

Why would you stop doing something you enjoy to try and prove a point? :|

Tony Le Mesmer
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 3404
Joined: 17 Jun 2005 20:37
Location: Dundee in my bare feet

Re: "One More Player"

by Tony Le Mesmer » 01 Sep 2010 14:00

Big Foot
Jeffers217 You have to hit Madejski where it hurts and that's in his pocket- I imagine if 3000 fans decided not to go for the season he'd soon catch on to the fact that we aren't happy.

I enjoy going to watch Reading, I even enjoyed some of the games under Brendan Rodgers!

Why would you stop doing something you enjoy to try and prove a point? :|


I think its called standing up for yourself.

User avatar
ZacNaloen
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 7239
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 13:34
Location: 'If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color.' -Mark Schnitzius

Re: "One More Player"

by ZacNaloen » 01 Sep 2010 14:03

Tony Le Mesmer
Nick Shorey my Lord!
LoyalRoyalFan Madejski has pocketed over 7million quid yesterday.


Please demonstrate, with facts, where Madejski has taken money from the operating balance sheet of RFC.


Shifting personal debt on the hotel onto the club? Ot to be more preicse, using cash from player sales to cut losses on the side of the "business".



the hotel that makes a profit on the clubs balance sheet?


Stranded
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 20744
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 12:42
Location: Propping up the bar in the Nags

Re: "One More Player"

by Stranded » 01 Sep 2010 14:03

MmmMonsterMunch Sorry Stranded - you're the podcast guy aren't you?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you say on last night's recording something along the lines of "Lets wait & see if any other transfers develop overnight before getting angry but I agree if this is all we get then it's not good enough"

Why are you now getting your knickers in a twist because people are venting?!

Hardly a surprise they're venting is it? We've signed an old left back & the midget from Willow despite getting a club record fee yesterday.


I am indeed - I did indeed say something along those lines but also stated that we still have 2 weeks to go and a loan window opening with a multitude of players about to come available.

I've also said on many an occasion on there that I see no point in the old where has the money gone tirade and the it's in SJM's pocket crew - that annoys me as there is no proof of this. By all means vent at the choice of signings but unfounded tirades is just a waste of time.

Big Foot
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 8336
Joined: 30 Jun 2008 15:19
Location: #MagicOfTheCup #RoadToWembley

Re: "One More Player"

by Big Foot » 01 Sep 2010 14:04

Tony Le Mesmer
Big Foot
Jeffers217 You have to hit Madejski where it hurts and that's in his pocket- I imagine if 3000 fans decided not to go for the season he'd soon catch on to the fact that we aren't happy.

I enjoy going to watch Reading, I even enjoyed some of the games under Brendan Rodgers!

Why would you stop doing something you enjoy to try and prove a point? :|


I think its called standing up for yourself.

That's not standing up for yourself, that's running away from the fight !!

Terminal Boardom
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 7791
Joined: 15 Aug 2008 19:50
Location: No more egodome until the daft old coot leaves

Re: "One More Player"

by Terminal Boardom » 01 Sep 2010 14:06

Yorkshire Royal
Jeffers217
ZacNaloen Christ, this is the same argument as the last time sold a player for millions.

We had a four million deficit in the budget.

It is not sold by one big player going because the fee will only save you for one year, without seeing the accounts we don't know how much of that deficit has been plugged, we would hope by now all of it.


It's my personal feeling that the club is being more sensible than splurging the money on the first signing that becomes available and i'd be very surprised if some of this money hasnt been set aside so we actually have something to spend in January as well.


The club are not being sensible- they are playing a very dangerous game. The warning signs were there last season until we decided to do something about it in Jan. If the cloth cutting continues then relegation is inevitable and then there will be NO money whatsoever as attendances will rapidly drop in League 1. If they kept The Sig, signed Kish on loan and signed a decent striker we would most likely have been promoted this season and then we wouldn't have to keep funding our club by selling our best players as we would be gettign a lot of money if in Premiership. Sometimes in life you have to risk a minnute amount to reap massive benefits. We ent prepared to do that and it will cost us which personally makes me feel pretty dejected by the whole thing. I think fans have the absolute right to voice their opinions- season-ticket holders who spend their money to keep the club going and get nothing for that- now that deserves a response in my opinion


Mr Madejski is not prepared to risk anymore of his personal money on this club. He is not as cash rich as any of you believe. His money is tied up in Commercial Property (down 40%) and his other companies (mostly loosing money). So when you are talking about "we aren't prepared to do that" what you are in fact is saying "he is not prepared to risk anymore of HIS personal wealth". How much do you want him to spend? Plug the 4m defecit and then maybe another 4m on players/wages? So 8m in total? Assuming he has anywhere near 32m left in liquid assets (I doubt he even has that), thats 25% of his personal wealth.

Why should he? It's about time to accept we are not bankrolled by a rich sugar daddy, nor are we supported by a strong business. The club loses money every year (like 90% of all clubs, easily) and our chairman no longer has the wealth to prop up the club AND invest greatly. That's life, deal with it.

And before you all start going on, sell the club now tight arse, he can only sell the club if he has a buyer. And who would want a business that loses money every year. We're not Chelsea, we're not Man City, we're not Villa and we're not Man Utd. We dont have a brand, or history or even a chance to get TV revenue when the clubs start selling their own rightss.

We either find another local benefactor who wants to lose money every year, we mortgage the club on the gamble of future sucess(worked well for Leeds etc), or we run a tight ship and accept life isnt like Championship Manager.


So why doesn't Madejski put away his ego and sell the frigging club? Get someone to take over who has the means to support the club financially. There is rarely a day goes by when someone somewhere is linked with buying a club. How genuine is Madejski in his attempts to sell?

User avatar
brendywendy
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 12060
Joined: 04 Aug 2006 15:29
Location: coming straight outa crowthorne

Re: "One More Player"

by brendywendy » 01 Sep 2010 14:07

Tony Le Mesmer
Nick Shorey my Lord!
LoyalRoyalFan Madejski has pocketed over 7million quid yesterday.


Please demonstrate, with facts, where Madejski has taken money from the operating balance sheet of RFC.


Shifting personal debt on the hotel onto the club? Ot to be more preicse, using cash from player sales to cut losses on the side of the "business".



the hotel is/was the onkly profitable part of the (apart from the refurb/extension) has been earning money for the club
as per the statements last year

Big Foot
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 8336
Joined: 30 Jun 2008 15:19
Location: #MagicOfTheCup #RoadToWembley

Re: "One More Player"

by Big Foot » 01 Sep 2010 14:07

Terminal Boardom
Yorkshire Royal
Jeffers217 The club are not being sensible- they are playing a very dangerous game. The warning signs were there last season until we decided to do something about it in Jan. If the cloth cutting continues then relegation is inevitable and then there will be NO money whatsoever as attendances will rapidly drop in League 1. If they kept The Sig, signed Kish on loan and signed a decent striker we would most likely have been promoted this season and then we wouldn't have to keep funding our club by selling our best players as we would be gettign a lot of money if in Premiership. Sometimes in life you have to risk a minnute amount to reap massive benefits. We ent prepared to do that and it will cost us which personally makes me feel pretty dejected by the whole thing. I think fans have the absolute right to voice their opinions- season-ticket holders who spend their money to keep the club going and get nothing for that- now that deserves a response in my opinion


Mr Madejski is not prepared to risk anymore of his personal money on this club. He is not as cash rich as any of you believe. His money is tied up in Commercial Property (down 40%) and his other companies (mostly loosing money). So when you are talking about "we aren't prepared to do that" what you are in fact is saying "he is not prepared to risk anymore of HIS personal wealth". How much do you want him to spend? Plug the 4m defecit and then maybe another 4m on players/wages? So 8m in total? Assuming he has anywhere near 32m left in liquid assets (I doubt he even has that), thats 25% of his personal wealth.

Why should he? It's about time to accept we are not bankrolled by a rich sugar daddy, nor are we supported by a strong business. The club loses money every year (like 90% of all clubs, easily) and our chairman no longer has the wealth to prop up the club AND invest greatly. That's life, deal with it.

And before you all start going on, sell the club now tight arse, he can only sell the club if he has a buyer. And who would want a business that loses money every year. We're not Chelsea, we're not Man City, we're not Villa and we're not Man Utd. We dont have a brand, or history or even a chance to get TV revenue when the clubs start selling their own rightss.

We either find another local benefactor who wants to lose money every year, we mortgage the club on the gamble of future sucess(worked well for Leeds etc), or we run a tight ship and accept life isnt like Championship Manager.


So why doesn't Madejski put away his ego and sell the frigging club? Get someone to take over who has the means to support the club financially. There is rarely a day goes by when someone somewhere is linked with buying a club. How genuine is Madejski in his attempts to sell?

Who's he going to sell the club to, Huntley & Palmers? :|

User avatar
brendywendy
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 12060
Joined: 04 Aug 2006 15:29
Location: coming straight outa crowthorne

Re: "One More Player"

by brendywendy » 01 Sep 2010 14:08

Tony Le Mesmer
Big Foot
Jeffers217 You have to hit Madejski where it hurts and that's in his pocket- I imagine if 3000 fans decided not to go for the season he'd soon catch on to the fact that we aren't happy.

I enjoy going to watch Reading, I even enjoyed some of the games under Brendan Rodgers!

Why would you stop doing something you enjoy to try and prove a point? :|


I think its called standing up for yourself.


how? why? what for?
withdrawing your support will just mean th edefecit grows, and more players need to be sold :roll:

User avatar
brendywendy
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 12060
Joined: 04 Aug 2006 15:29
Location: coming straight outa crowthorne

Re: "One More Player"

by brendywendy » 01 Sep 2010 14:09

Terminal Boardom
Yorkshire Royal
Jeffers217
The club are not being sensible- they are playing a very dangerous game. The warning signs were there last season until we decided to do something about it in Jan. If the cloth cutting continues then relegation is inevitable and then there will be NO money whatsoever as attendances will rapidly drop in League 1. If they kept The Sig, signed Kish on loan and signed a decent striker we would most likely have been promoted this season and then we wouldn't have to keep funding our club by selling our best players as we would be gettign a lot of money if in Premiership. Sometimes in life you have to risk a minnute amount to reap massive benefits. We ent prepared to do that and it will cost us which personally makes me feel pretty dejected by the whole thing. I think fans have the absolute right to voice their opinions- season-ticket holders who spend their money to keep the club going and get nothing for that- now that deserves a response in my opinion


Mr Madejski is not prepared to risk anymore of his personal money on this club. He is not as cash rich as any of you believe. His money is tied up in Commercial Property (down 40%) and his other companies (mostly loosing money). So when you are talking about "we aren't prepared to do that" what you are in fact is saying "he is not prepared to risk anymore of HIS personal wealth". How much do you want him to spend? Plug the 4m defecit and then maybe another 4m on players/wages? So 8m in total? Assuming he has anywhere near 32m left in liquid assets (I doubt he even has that), thats 25% of his personal wealth.

Why should he? It's about time to accept we are not bankrolled by a rich sugar daddy, nor are we supported by a strong business. The club loses money every year (like 90% of all clubs, easily) and our chairman no longer has the wealth to prop up the club AND invest greatly. That's life, deal with it.

And before you all start going on, sell the club now tight arse, he can only sell the club if he has a buyer. And who would want a business that loses money every year. We're not Chelsea, we're not Man City, we're not Villa and we're not Man Utd. We dont have a brand, or history or even a chance to get TV revenue when the clubs start selling their own rightss.

We either find another local benefactor who wants to lose money every year, we mortgage the club on the gamble of future sucess(worked well for Leeds etc), or we run a tight ship and accept life isnt like Championship Manager.


So why doesn't Madejski put away his ego and sell the frigging club? Get someone to take over who has the means to support the club financially. There is rarely a day goes by when someone somewhere is linked with buying a club. How genuine is Madejski in his attempts to sell?


when someone comes in, who he believes has th ebest interests of the club at heart, and offers him th emoney he is owed, plus some extra for his hard work and achievements, he will.


if you are that someone, make th eoffer asnd put us all out of our misery

259 posts

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 335 guests

It is currently 18 Jul 2025 21:17