Cheer up ROFLeading fans

[Avon Royal]

*melonheads spin translator for the hard of thinking:




type quote here:

no longer need to sell our players to fill the black hole

find translation here:

we no longer need to sell our best players to fill any financial black hole, however we will obviously still need to sell players who no longer wish to be here

we hope this service has been of help to you
please come again.

And which bit of that explains why the money we got from selling said players hasn't been used to replace them?

[Libertine]

Yep...we are gullible. We actually believe what the club says will happen will become reality. What deluded dodos we are...

do you believe the marketing spin of every company you see communications from?

In the real world if a company says they, or their product, will do ____________ for me, and they don't deliver, I don't do business with, or buy the products of, said company. And usually the company goes out of business as they hemorrhage customers. Like I said, in the real world. Pro football isn't the real world, it is a world P.T. Barnum would be proud of...

[melonhead]

at no point was any such promise, guarantee, or even general nod in that direction ever made though......
so



also those players werent sold to balance books, they were sold cos they wanted out, and clubs came in for them.

perhaps we had worked extremely hard and diligently to get deals done, they were almost done, and at the last minute a bigger club came in and took that player, and then we ran out of time leaving us unable to spend that money

[melonhead]

Yep...we are gullible. We actually believe what the club says will happen will become reality. What deluded dodos we are...

do you believe the marketing spin of every company you see communications from?

In the real world if a company says they, or their product, will do ____________ for me, and they don't deliver, I don't do business with, or buy the products of, said company. And usually the company goes out of business as they hemorrhage customers. Like I said, in the real world. Pro football isn't the real world, it is a world P.T. Barnum would be proud of...

but they never said anything of the sort


*melonheads spin translator for my good friend libertine:


please type quote here:

we aim to bring in 7 players, win the league, and score a hundred goals

Please find translated quote here:

we aim to bring in 7 players, win the league, and score a hundred goals. please note these are aspirations only, and in no way should this statement be viewed as a guarantee that we will succeed 100% in 100% of our aims

we hope this service has been of help to you
please come again

[Libertine]

All I am saying brendy is if you are going to say something will definitely happen there are expectations by the "customers" that it will and when it doesn't the brand gets damaged...at least in the real world.

[72 bus]

however we will obviously still need to sell players who no longer wish to be here

Given that we knew Kebe was off as soon as MD was out of the door and the same with Mariappa as soon as we were relegated, why did we not have replacements lined up.
Other clubs manage to do it.
The truth is Anton does not have a pot to piss in, only the truly hard of thinking such as yourself still believe to spin that comes out of this club.

[Avon Royal]

at no point was any such promise, guarantee, or even general nod in that direction ever made though......
so



also those players werent sold to balance books, they were sold cos they wanted out, and clubs came in for them.

perhaps we had worked extremely hard and diligently to get deals done, they were almost done, and at the last minute a bigger club came in and took that player, and then we ran out of time leaving us unable to spend that money

Then maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't have left it until the last minute to try and do the deals...........

You really are wriggling like a worm on a hook at the moment Brendy.

[melonhead]

All I am saying brendy is if you are going to say something will definitely happen there are expectations by the "customers" that it will and when it doesn't the brand gets damaged...at least in the real world.

didnt say definitely did he

wanting, and getting are not the same thing
or liv tyler would be sucking my penis right now

[melonhead]

at no point was any such promise, guarantee, or even general nod in that direction ever made though......
so



also those players werent sold to balance books, they were sold cos they wanted out, and clubs came in for them.

perhaps we had worked extremely hard and diligently to get deals done, they were almost done, and at the last minute a bigger club came in and took that player, and then we ran out of time leaving us unable to spend that money

Then maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't have left it until the last minute to try and do the deals...........

You really are wriggling like a worm on a hook at the moment Brendy.

like i give a oxf*rd what you think, or whether the club is criticised. im saying it cos its the truth, which yet again seems to get you in some sort of tizz.

its agents and players that feed the transfer window, and force the deals to go to the last minute, because they know this will mean more money for them both.
as a result it all explodes in a mad free for all in the last couple of hours, and the biggest fish tend to do better in that kind of feeding frenzy

it also means that the also ran clubs struggle because unless they are willing to pay more money than they can afford to as a business the players end up going elsewhere.(unless they are owned by people who dont care about their money, and are happy to run their club not like a business)


look at sissoko. used us to get his contract terminated by PSG, and then oxf*rd off to talk to premiere league clubs.

[Libertine]

All I am saying brendy is if you are going to say something will definitely happen there are expectations by the "customers" that it will and when it doesn't the brand gets damaged...at least in the real world.

didnt say definitely did he

wanting, and getting are not the same thing
or liv tyler would be sucking my penis right now

Yes he did! Multiple times, and as recently as the wake of the P'boro game. What he definitely didn't say, again right after the P'boro game, was that we would only be selling players. And that is the reality of what happened as the window closed. So the team is now a tangibly, and demonstrably, weaker club than it was for the P'boro game. If you are going to make declarative statements in business you better be damn sure you deliver on what you say. But, again for emphasis, professional football isn't a real business and they know they have captive customers no matter, within reason, what they do...

[Avon Royal]

like i give a oxf*rd what you think, or whether the club is criticised. im saying it cos its the truth, which yet again seems to get you in some sort of tizz.

So because you think something is the case that automatically makes it "the truth" does it?

Have a word with yourself.

[melonhead]

All I am saying brendy is if you are going to say something will definitely happen there are expectations by the "customers" that it will and when it doesn't the brand gets damaged...at least in the real world.

didnt say definitely did he

wanting, and getting are not the same thing
or liv tyler would be sucking my penis right now

Yes he did! Multiple times, and as recently as the wake of the P'boro game. What he definitely didn't say, again right after the P'boro game, was that we would only be selling players. And that is the reality of what happened as the window closed. So the team is now a tangibly, and demonstrably, weaker club than it was for the P'boro game. If you are going to make declarative statements in business you better be damn sure you deliver on what you say. But, again for emphasis, professional football isn't a real business and they know they have captive customers no matter, within reason, what they do...

"i will definitely be bringing in 7 players!"

no.

he said he wanted to, or would try to, that he aimed to, etc

and what he definitely isnt doing now is selling players cos he has to due to financial reasons, but instead cos they wanted to leave.

[Libertine]

"i will definitely be bringing in 7 players!"

no.

he said he wanted to, or would try to, that he aimed to, etc

and what he definitely isnt doing now is selling players cos he has to due to financial reasons, but instead cos they wanted to leave.

I didn't say anything about "7 players", nor did NA, nor did anyone in the wake of the P'boro game. What was said was it was an unacceptable effort and result, and there would be "some" acquisitions made before the window closed to address it. That is all...

[Royalclapper]

Why shouldn't Adkins want us to be Champions? We've done it before with less, the points tally etc is stretching it a bit though.

We were never going to go in big due to Pog's wage millstone around our necks, the other signings look ok if not a bit Hollywood for a Championship team. Truth is we are one of the best payers in this division and there is hardly a crisis happening at this point. In fact, how many other squads are better in this league? - not many. Leeds and Sheff Weds are by far the biggest clubs in the Championship and RFC can out power either of them at the moment, as too we can equal a lot of previously bigger clubs than us like Forest, Leicester and so on.

Can't see how Adkins would have managed to get a team like Scunthorpe promoted and in amongst 'em without knowing his onions and he will need a little time. IMO we need to be in the top half come the January window and anything is possible given the nature of the Championship. QPR have managed to accumulate points with 2 donkeys like Dunne and Hill at CB ffs which shows the true strength of the league.

[melonhead]

like i give a oxf*rd what you think, or whether the club is criticised. im saying it cos its the truth, which yet again seems to get you in some sort of tizz.

So because you think something is the case that automatically makes it "the truth" does it?

Have a word with yourself.

the TRUTH is:
sometimes you don't get what you want or aim for, sometimes deals fail at the last minute, sometimes no list of possible players is endless enough, sometimes you run out of time, sometimes good players are offered a deal elsewhere, though youve just spent months trying to get them to sign, sometimes agents tell lies "yes he would love to come and play for you, however we cannot come and sign just yet as he is very busy just now, if you would wait a little longer, we can sort this out." sometimes fee/wage demands simply surpass your ability/inclination to pay.
thats FACT. whether it hurts and angers you is not my problem.

[melonhead]

"i will definitely be bringing in 7 players!"

no.

he said he wanted to, or would try to, that he aimed to, etc

and what he definitely isnt doing now is selling players cos he has to due to financial reasons, but instead cos they wanted to leave.

I didn't say anything about "7 players", nor did NA, nor did anyone in the wake of the P'boro game. What was said was it was an unacceptable effort and result, and there would be "some" acquisitions made before the window closed to address it. That is all...

no it isnt!

not sure why you cant see the difference between him saying

"i definitely want to bring in 6-7 players"
and
"I will definitely bring in 6-7 players"


not that i have the exact quote to hand. im just almost 100% certain he wont have given any guarantees.

[Libertine]

"i will definitely be bringing in 7 players!"

no.

he said he wanted to, or would try to, that he aimed to, etc

and what he definitely isnt doing now is selling players cos he has to due to financial reasons, but instead cos they wanted to leave.

I didn't say anything about "7 players", nor did NA, nor did anyone in the wake of the P'boro game. What was said was it was an unacceptable effort and result, and there would be "some" acquisitions made before the window closed to address it. That is all...

no it isnt!

not sure why you cant see the difference between him saying

"i definitely want to bring in 6-7 players"
and
"I will definitely bring in 6-7 players"


not that i have the exact quote to hand. im just almost 100% certain he wont have given any guarantees.

Why are you fixated on he "6-7 players" statement made at the beginning of the summer? I am not trying to hold their feet to the fire over that, nor would it be fair to do that. I am only talking about recent statements, ones specifically made after P'boro, about "changes will be made and we will bring in some new (unspecified number) of players before the window closes". I know, first hand, marijuana negatively affects the short term memory. Maybe that explains why you remember what was said at the beginning of the window as opposed to the end...

[Avon Royal]

like i give a oxf*rd what you think, or whether the club is criticised. im saying it cos its the truth, which yet again seems to get you in some sort of tizz.

So because you think something is the case that automatically makes it "the truth" does it?

Have a word with yourself.

the TRUTH is:
sometimes you don't get what you want or aim for, sometimes deals fail at the last minute, sometimes no list of possible players is endless enough, sometimes you run out of time, sometimes good players are offered a deal elsewhere, though youve just spent months trying to get them to sign, sometimes agents tell lies "yes he would love to come and play for you, however we cannot come and sign just yet as he is very busy just now, if you would wait a little longer, we can sort this out." sometimes fee/wage demands simply surpass your ability/inclination to pay.
thats FACT. whether it hurts and angers you is not my problem.

Last two transfer windows the exact same thing has happened FACT. We appear to have learned exactly no lessons and repeated the same mistakes again. TRUTH

Take a look at what happened to Liverpool in Brendan's first transfer window and how they approached things differently this time around. They learned their lessons, we didn't and we just repeated the same old mistakes.

All the factors you listed apply to every club, yet few seem so repeatedly unable to deal with them.

[Waylenstreet]

Not quite sure why there is so much wrist-slitting tbh. Did anyone really believe that TSI have the funds to throw cash around? Did anyone really believe Adkins claims of wanting to be Champions, 100 goals and 21 clean sheets?

The only thing this club rerally excels in is getting a good price for its saleable assets - fair play to NH - and of course through CMZ's excellent media work we excel in.....spin, which gets the hopes of the gullible up

We have a squad which should be capable of finishing top half at least. We're a centre-half and a centre-forward light but the loan window opens next week.....if you really expected big deals yesterday than you should probably take a good look at yourself

No wrist cutting for me either. It became blindingly obvious very quickly that Anton's view of his role and responsibilities was no different to SJM's. I adjusted my expectations accordingly.
AS Pete Townshend said
'Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss '.


" Wont Get Fooled Again ".

[melonhead]

its easy to overcome wrangles and disputes, and persuade players who really wouldnt have come to you otherwise
if you have a massive cheque book.


there is a difference between learning a lesson, and understanding the truth of a matter
and being able to do much about it.