Worried Supporters.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Longhorn1970 » 02 May 2016 10:24

tidus_mi2 If you want to understand the gap between the Championship and League One, remember when we dicked promotion hopefuls Walsall 4-0 this season?


thanks to our good start we stayed up this year ..

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by tmesis » 02 May 2016 12:07

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Lower West Why do we look like relegation candidates?


31 points from the last 34 games is relegation form, and we'll be without our loan players next year, and may be missing one or two others too.

In other words, we could well be going into pre-season with a squad even worse than this one.

Of course, we have to wait and see who comes in, but it's hard to make a case for any quality coming in. Nobody in charge of the football club seems to be that interested any more.


Or equally we could end up with a strong squad with a manager who understands the club and what is needed to be a success here.

We could, but McDermott has got a very big job on his hands over the summer. If he brings in 5-6 players, they probably all need to be upgrades on what we have at the moment

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by howser » 02 May 2016 12:14

I guess that the departure of Hammond, one of the clubs "inner sanctum" will add to the fan base having concerns about where we are heading or dropping. Would be nice to get some sort of club statement as to Hammonds replacement, if any, transfer policy etc......... but they have never been particularly forthcoming with what's going on, and of course that failing just ignites speculation.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Royal With Cheese » 02 May 2016 12:18

Without getting all Snowball here - take away that very small purple patch at the start of the season and we'd have really been in the poo.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Ian Royal » 02 May 2016 13:19

AthleticoSpizz Agree (TF) the last thing that we need to do is sack another manager. The previous three sackings have done us no-good whatsoever.

Even Steve Coppell took three seasons to get it right.......then when he did.....just how many of that 106 team were the players that he inherited from his predecessors?

Five. Murty, Harper, Hahnemann, Sidwell & Shorey.
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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Top Flight » 02 May 2016 13:21

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AthleticoSpizz Agree (TF) the last thing that we need to do is sack another manager. The previous three sackings have done us no-good whatsoever.

Even Steve Coppell took three seasons to get it right.......then when he did.....just how many of that 106 team were the players that he inherited from his predecessors?

Four. Murty, Harper, Sidwell & Shorey.


Hahnemann was a Pardew signing as well I think.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Ian Royal » 02 May 2016 13:22

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AthleticoSpizz Agree (TF) the last thing that we need to do is sack another manager. The previous three sackings have done us no-good whatsoever.

Even Steve Coppell took three seasons to get it right.......then when he did.....just how many of that 106 team were the players that he inherited from his predecessors?

Five. Murty, Harper, Sidwell, Hahneman & Shorey.


Hahnemann was a Pardew signing as well I think.


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Re: Worried Supporters.

by West Stand Man » 02 May 2016 13:26

Royal With Cheese Without getting all Snowball here - take away that very small purple patch at the start of the season and we'd have really been in the poo.


Conversely, without the shit period that followed the purple patch we'd be champions.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by tidus_mi2 » 02 May 2016 13:32

All this we'd be relegated talk not for our start, I just checked it out, take out our points from the start of the season up until Middlesbrough as, I my opinion the Charlton game was the first time we started looking underwhelming.

That leaves us with 35 points from 36 games, transpose that over 45 games and we'd be on 43 points right now, so potentially in a relegation zone, dependant on goal difference since Charlton's is so terrible.


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Re: Worried Supporters.

by RG7Fan » 02 May 2016 13:39

Pat Butchers Ring Decent Back four?? You clearly have a short memory. That defending against Preston was horrendous. Cooper, Gunter and Obita not good enough. Midfield is average, happy when we have the ball but goes missing when we need to do the ugly stuff. No firepower whatsoever up front.

The mentality of the team is all wrong. There's no togetherness just a bit of individuals.

Watch the replay, mcshane even laughed when prestons second went in. He's clearly given up.


Cooper was a liability on Saturday - its a shame as he started off with real promise earlier in the season. Hopefully they'll knock him in to shape over the summer or persuade some idiotic team to part with £3-4m and take him off our hands.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Norwood and Williams leave this summer, and possibly Kuhl - he's been on the bench once?

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Top Flight » 02 May 2016 16:01

I think your criticism of Cooper is harsh actually.

Al Habsi makes Cooper look shit because he has poor judgement, lacks presence and doesn't EVER come off his goal line. Al Habsi has cost us an absolute sh*t load of goals yet somehow looks the hero, wins player of the season just because of his cat like, spectacular diving on the goal line. And he really is a pussy. How many times have you seen him bravely rush out of his goal to avert danger and make clearances to bail out his defence? It hasn't happened once this season. Look at Kaspar Schmeichal on Sunday. Twice he courageously rushed out of his goal to first bail out Danny Simpson and then again to prevent Lindgaard a certain goal. Al Habsi is miles behind Hahnemann and Federici.

The fact that our midfielders on Saturday against Preston couldn't be ars*ed and didn't provide any protection whatsoever also meant that Preston had so much time and space to be able to weave their way through our defence. There is nothing wrong with the quality and ability of any of our defenders. They could form a resolute difficult to beat backline next season, but they have a useless goalkeeper behind them and a midfield in front of them that went missing against Preston certainly. Organisation is the issue here. Not Cooper.

This is a TEAM game.

Brian will sort us out next season. He may need to bring back one or two winners and strong characters from our past in order to provide leadership on the pitch and help him reestablish that team ethic that has gone missing during Adkins and Clarkes mismanagement of team affairs. It might be a good idea to persuade Jem Karacan and Adam Federici to come back.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Glory Boy » 02 May 2016 16:32

If we finish below either Huddersfield,Rotherham or Burton we will have been complete s**t and deserve to go down.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by sandman » 02 May 2016 16:36

Top Flight I think your criticism of Cooper is harsh actually.

Al Habsi makes Cooper look shit because he has poor judgement, lacks presence and doesn't EVER come off his goal line. Al Habsi has cost us an absolute sh*t load of goals yet somehow looks the hero, wins player of the season just because of his cat like, spectacular diving on the goal line. And he really is a pussy. How many times have you seen him bravely rush out of his goal to avert danger and make clearances to bail out his defence? It hasn't happened once this season. Look at Kaspar Schmeichal on Sunday. Twice he courageously rushed out of his goal to first bail out Danny Simpson and then again to prevent Lindgaard a certain goal. Al Habsi is miles behind Hahnemann and Federici.

The fact that our midfielders on Saturday against Preston couldn't be ars*ed and didn't provide any protection whatsoever also meant that Preston had so much time and space to be able to weave their way through our defence. There is nothing wrong with the quality and ability of any of our defenders. They could form a resolute difficult to beat backline next season, but they have a useless goalkeeper behind them and a midfield in front of them that went missing against Preston certainly. Organisation is the issue here. Not Cooper.

This is a TEAM game.

Brian will sort us out next season. He may need to bring back one or two winners and strong characters from our past in order to provide leadership on the pitch and help him reestablish that team ethic that has gone missing during Adkins and Clarkes mismanagement of team affairs. It might be a good idea to persuade Jem Karacan and Adam Federici to come back.



The jig is up dave.


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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Top Flight » 02 May 2016 16:48

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Top Flight I think your criticism of Cooper is harsh actually.

Al Habsi makes Cooper look shit because he has poor judgement, lacks presence and doesn't EVER come off his goal line. Al Habsi has cost us an absolute sh*t load of goals yet somehow looks the hero, wins player of the season just because of his cat like, spectacular diving on the goal line. And he really is a pussy. How many times have you seen him bravely rush out of his goal to avert danger and make clearances to bail out his defence? It hasn't happened once this season. Look at Kaspar Schmeichal on Sunday. Twice he courageously rushed out of his goal to first bail out Danny Simpson and then again to prevent Lindgaard a certain goal. Al Habsi is miles behind Hahnemann and Federici.

The fact that our midfielders on Saturday against Preston couldn't be ars*ed and didn't provide any protection whatsoever also meant that Preston had so much time and space to be able to weave their way through our defence. There is nothing wrong with the quality and ability of any of our defenders. They could form a resolute difficult to beat backline next season, but they have a useless goalkeeper behind them and a midfield in front of them that went missing against Preston certainly. Organisation is the issue here. Not Cooper.

This is a TEAM game.

Brian will sort us out next season. He may need to bring back one or two winners and strong characters from our past in order to provide leadership on the pitch and help him reestablish that team ethic that has gone missing during Adkins and Clarkes mismanagement of team affairs. It might be a good idea to persuade Jem Karacan and Adam Federici to come back.



The jig is up dave.


I not dave. I just do impression dave. i good at impression. fooled u

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Ian Royal » 02 May 2016 17:32

Top Flight I think your criticism of Cooper is harsh actually.

Al Habsi makes Cooper look shit because he has poor judgement, lacks presence and doesn't EVER come off his goal line.



Whether Al-Habsi commands his area or not has nothing to do with Cooper consistently passing to the opposition / putting teammates in trouble, falling over at terrible moments or completely misjudging the flight of balls and letting strikers in on goal.

Al-Habsi has saved us from conceding a fair number of goals after Cooper errors. Cooper makes Cooper look shit (at times) no one else.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by howser » 02 May 2016 18:01

I feel a bit for Cooper, I am not sure anyone saw him being a first team regular for most of the season, in all honesty he has been slung in at the deep end, should have really played a few games then had a rest for a few, likely a bit overwhelming for a young lad to come into a struggling side without it having an effect on his own performances. Should have been McShane and Ferdinand with Cooper as the fill in to gain the experience, if they had any doubts about Ferdinands fitness and his inability to play regularly, then they should have looked elsewhere in January. That's just my opinion.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Lower West » 02 May 2016 18:08

howser I feel a bit for Cooper, I am not sure anyone saw him being a first team regular for most of the season, in all honesty he has been slung in at the deep end, should have really played a few games then had a rest for a few, likely a bit overwhelming for a young lad to come into a struggling side without it having an effect on his own performances.


Took Shorey time to adapt after his transfer from Orient. Constantly caught out of position. More games Cooper plays. The quicker he'll develop.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Top Flight » 02 May 2016 21:55

What did Cooper do wrong against Preston anyway? He wasn't at fault for their goals. Was it Coopers slip that let in Beckford but Al Habsi saved when he tried to lift it over him?

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by Ian Royal » 02 May 2016 22:37

Top Flight What did Cooper do wrong against Preston anyway? He wasn't at fault for their goals. Was it Coopers slip that let in Beckford but Al Habsi saved when he tried to lift it over him?


He may not have been the one that made a mistake leading directly to a goal, but that's by luck, poor finishing and the quality of others. He's dropped quite a few howlers in the last three or four games and some of them have been punished. He's looked like he's needed a break to refind his form on several occasions this season, but we've had to rely on him. I'd rather not have to do that again next season. If he's going to play week in week out it has to be on merit, not because Ferdinand is made of china, or McShane is suspended, or Hector's playing in midfield and we don't have anyone else.

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Re: Worried Supporters.

by Top Flight » 02 May 2016 23:01

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Top Flight What did Cooper do wrong against Preston anyway? He wasn't at fault for their goals. Was it Coopers slip that let in Beckford but Al Habsi saved when he tried to lift it over him?


He may not have been the one that made a mistake leading directly to a goal, but that's by luck, poor finishing and the quality of others. He's dropped quite a few howlers in the last three or four games and some of them have been punished. He's looked like he's needed a break to refind his form on several occasions this season, but we've had to rely on him. I'd rather not have to do that again next season. If he's going to play week in week out it has to be on merit, not because Ferdinand is made of china, or McShane is suspended, or Hector's playing in midfield and we don't have anyone else.


Personally, I dont think Cooper is the problem. Al Habsi is a far greater liability always rooted to his goal line. There has been little defensive protection from our poor midfield. Cooper has been getting too exposed and not had enough help in front or behind him. Put Leigertwood and Karacan in front of Cooper and Federici behind him and with that kind of support he won't be getting exposed nearly as much.

The team is not playing as a team. They are disorganised and couldn't care less. This season just needs to be shot and killed off. Let's move on to a brighter future.

Don't even waste anymore time trying to analyse this shambles. It's futile. Everything will change over the next three months. We'll have a new attitude next season, hopefully with players that are hungry and driven.

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