Baggie and Taylor given squad numbers

[Arch]

I quite like McDermott actually even though I disagree with the dismissal of Rodgers. Doesn't matter who we've got in charge though, if your chairman's not prepared to shell out for a new striker after you've let go of 3, you're going to struggle.

Which three did you have in mind?

Doyle, Lita, Kitson from the end of last season.

Then the bit in bold is really pretty disingenuous. He's shelled out for Hunt since Kitson and Rasiak since Doyle and Lita. With Church promoted from the youths, that makes three for three. No doubt you can make the case that our options aren't as good as they were, which is hardly surprising under the circumstances (although on a straight goals-per-league-game basis both Hunt and Rasiak stack up pretty well against Lita and Kitson). But your way of putting it, clearly implying it's three out/none in is simply mendacious. It's no surprise there's no decent debate on the team board when people resort to such outlandish fabrications to follow their prejudices.

[andrew1957]

I have watched Baggie in the reserves and he reminds me of Lita but without the "throwing himself down all the time bit" so I am hopeful he could go on to be as big player for us - but not sure he is ready yet. Would be good to see him on the bench tomorrow though.

[papereyes]

Doyle, Lita, Kitson from the end of last season.

Then the bit in bold is really pretty disingenuous. He's shelled out for Hunt since Kitson and Rasiak since Doyle and Lita. With Church promoted from the youths, that makes three for three. No doubt you can make the case that our options aren't as good as they were, which is hardly surprising under the circumstances (although on a straight goals-per-league-game basis both Hunt and Rasiak stack up pretty well against Lita and Kitson). But your way of putting it, clearly implying it's three out/none in is simply mendacious. It's no surprise there's no decent debate on the team board when people resort to such outlandish fabrications to follow their prejudices.

We did bring Kitson back in, which does complicate matters a tiny bit.
I'd also, personally, be loathe to include Church given he played last season and is a youngster rather than a transfer brought in.

It's not quite as simple as you want to make out there.

[Royalee]

Then the bit in bold is really pretty disingenuous. He's shelled out for Hunt since Kitson and Rasiak since Doyle and Lita. With Church promoted from the youths, that makes three for three. No doubt you can make the case that our options aren't as good as they were, which is hardly surprising under the circumstances (although on a straight goals-per-league-game basis both Hunt and Rasiak stack up pretty well against Lita and Kitson). But your way of putting it, clearly implying it's three out/none in is simply mendacious. It's no surprise there's no decent debate on the team board when people resort to such outlandish fabrications to follow their prejudices.

Where to even begin...

Hunt was at the club when we had Kitson last season, Church was also at the club last season and to replace Lita (even if I don't like the guy, he's reasonably proven at this level) with someone in his first full season is laughable. Rasiak is more of a replacement for Kitson than Doyle, but as much as I liked the guy, he's still a fair way off the great ginge. If anything, Rasiak is doing what Long has in previous years - playing games, scoring a few goals but having to be used sparingly. Since last season we have lost 3 centre forwards from our squad and added only one in Rasiak, FACT. Nothing outlandish or prejudiced, just FACT on the transfer ins and outs. Our goalscoring figures are an indication of just how well we have replaced them, FACT.

I'm going to take off my Rafa hat now, thanks.

[Arch]

your chairman's not prepared to shell out for a new striker after you've let go of 3

For some reason, both papereyes and Royalee chose to edit this bit out in quoting me. That's an unusual effort to make a point. What's going on there?

As I wrote, you can argue about the details, and it's no surprise we're weaker on strike options than last year, but the quoted phrase above remains bullshit.

[Royalee]

I cut it out because you're not able to quote 3 lots - everyone can read what I've said before! If you think Rasiak is 'shelling out' for a new striker for 300k when we've sold Doyle for over 20 times that amount and are saving on the wages of 3 top earners, then you are extremely deluded.

OUR CHAIRMAN WAS NOT PREPARED TO SHELL OUT FOR A NEW STRIKER AFTER WE LET GO OF THREE.

There, everyone can see that, happy?

[Arch]

It's still bullshit.

[Royalee]

It's still bullshit.

Please tell me why it's 'bullshit'.

[SteveRoyal]

Such foul language...

[Ian Royal]

Cue more shit from Madejski 'We've got one of the biggest squads in the league!'

didn't someone actually do a check on the squads listed for each club, and find the statement to be true?

Regardless, Madejski sacked the object of your man-crush, therefore it has to be a lie. To you.

I quite like McDermott actually even though I disagree with the dismissal of Rodgers. Doesn't matter who we've got in charge though, if your chairman's not prepared to shell out for a new striker after you've let go of 3, you're going to struggle.

We lost two and replaced one, with Rodgers sending a further 2 on loan and not recalling them or giving any of our young strikers squad numbers, because he was too busy burying his head in the sand.

At least we might have some attacking options on the bench other than Kebe.

[Royalee]

Doyle, Kitson, Lita...that's three - can you not count?

Mooney is shit and Bignall isn't good enough for this level yet, hope this helps Ian. Why didn't Coppell recall Mooney and put him in the side last season when we weren't scoring?

[Ian Royal]

Doyle, Kitson, Lita...that's three - can you not count?

Mooney is shit and Bignall isn't good enough for this level yet, hope this helps Ian. Why didn't Coppell recall Mooney and put him in the side last season when we weren't scoring?

Kitson wasn't our player, he was a short term signing to cover Hunt's injury and possibly become permanant if we made it up. So seeing as Hunt recovered from his injury and we didn't make it up, he doesn't count.

Are you still denying Rasiak's existence?

Coppell always had more than one fit striker available, no need to recall Mooney in those circumstances. Coppell gave a youth player a chance when things weren't looking great. More than Rodgers did.

A shit player >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no player. Unless it's Bodin.

[Royalee]

Doyle, Kitson, Lita...that's three - can you not count?

Mooney is shit and Bignall isn't good enough for this level yet, hope this helps Ian. Why didn't Coppell recall Mooney and put him in the side last season when we weren't scoring?

Kitson wasn't our player, he was a short term signing to cover Hunt's injury and possibly become permanant if we made it up. So seeing as Hunt recovered from his injury and we didn't make it up, he doesn't count.

Are you still denying Rasiak's existence?

Coppell always had more than one fit striker available, no need to recall Mooney in those circumstances. Coppell gave a youth player a chance when things weren't looking great. More than Rodgers did.

A shit player >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no player. Unless it's Bodin.

Kitson was playing for us and we were paying his wages whether you choose to admit that or not.

As I've already said, Rasiak cost less than a 20th of what we received for Doyle.

We scored 1 goal in 6 games in a period in January, yet there was still no need to recall anyone? Do me a favour, you're not fooling anyone Ian. Rodgers has given Church a chance this season, along with a host of other youngsters so your other point is rubbish too. He also tried putting Robson-Kanu up front when we went down to one forward, which is more than Coppell experimented to fix the problem.

Any other crap you want to defend our chairman with Ian?

[Ian Royal]

It's no surprise suddenly Madejski is the enemy now that you've invested so much into Rodgers being our saviour. It would be impossible for someone like you, who thinks he knows so much better than everyone else to admit you've been wrong and accept Rodgers did terribly. So of course you need to find your scape goat and will stick to that as badly blinkered as you were for Rodgers and Coppell.

Man up, admit he screwed up and you were wrong, and get behind the club.

I'll give you Kitson, albeit very tenuous, but you have to conceed that Rasiak was a replacement striker, otherwise you are just the biggest bullshitting hypocrite going on HNA?. And it really doesn't matter how bad Mooney, Bignall or Baggie were. We still only had one semi fit striker at the club thanks to Rodgers, which is totally unacceptable.

[Royalee]

It's no surprise suddenly Madejski is the enemy now that you've invested so much into Rodgers being our saviour. It would be impossible for someone like you, who thinks he knows so much better than everyone else to admit you've been wrong and accept Rodgers did terribly. So of course you need to find your scape goat and will stick to that as badly blinkered as you were for Rodgers and Coppell.

Man up, admit he screwed up and you were wrong, and get behind the club.

I'll give you Kitson, albeit very tenuous, but you have to conceed that Rasiak was a replacement striker, otherwise you are just the biggest bullshitting hypocrite going on HNA?. And it really doesn't matter how bad Mooney, Bignall or Baggie were. We still only had one semi fit striker at the club thanks to Rodgers, which is totally unacceptable.

You have absolutely no idea about football.

Rodgers could turn out to be a dreadful manager, but it's impossible to make that judgement over 4 months of competitive football without having the chance to build his team. You are severely blinkered if you don't think that Coppell and Madejski are in the wrong. It wasn't Rodgers' fault we had to sell £12 million worth of players and had a net of - £9 million to spend, in addition to slashing our wage bill by releasing our captain, first choice goalkeeper for over half a decade and several others.

I've stood up and admitted I was wrong in the past when Coppell sorted us out in summer 2005 when I didn't expect him to and wouldn't have complained if Rodgers was sacked after QPR as I said, but to come out with some of the rubbish you have is laughable. Any club who loses the amount of players we have and don't allocate sufficient funds to replace them will struggle - most people who have any idea about the game realise that.

[Royalee]

@Royalee: It's no surprise suddenly Madejski is the enemy now that you've invested so much into Rodgers being our saviour. It would be impossible for someone like you, who thinks he knows so much better than everyone else to admit you've been wrong and accept Rodgers did terribly. So of course you need to find your scape goat and will stick to that as badly blinkered as you were for Rodgers and Coppell.

Man up, admit he screwed up and you were wrong, and get behind the club.

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[Pseud O'Nym]

@Royalee: It's no surprise suddenly Madejski is the enemy now that you've invested so much into Rodgers being our saviour. It would be impossible for someone like you, who thinks he knows so much better than everyone else to admit you've been wrong and accept Rodgers did terribly. So of course you need to find your scape goat and will stick to that as badly blinkered as you were for Rodgers and Coppell.

Man up, admit he screwed up and you were wrong, and get behind the club.

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[Royalee]

Mine can't have done a very good job of raising me