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[Zip]

And a certain Hal Robson-Kanu has had 44 caps for this fantastic National team albeit he has now retired after scoring 5 goals as a striker to concentrate on playing for West Brom reserves.

Yep a national team that reached the semi finals of a major tournament and knocked out a superb Belgian side in doing so. As for HRK he has had a perfectly decent career. How many other players in our entire history have scored an outstanding goal in a major international quarter final?

Not really a fair question that.

It’s an entirely fair question

[NewCorkSeth]

Yep a national team that reached the semi finals of a major tournament and knocked out a superb Belgian side in doing so. As for HRK he has had a perfectly decent career. How many other players in our entire history have scored an outstanding goal in a major international quarter final?

Not really a fair question that.

It’s an entirely fair question

I don't think we've had another player apart from Gunter who has even played in a major international quarter final. Unless Keown did. Or Bridge.

[Zip]

Not really a fair question that.

It’s an entirely fair question

I don't think we've had another player apart from Gunter who has even played in a major international quarter final. Unless Keown did. Or Bridge.

That’s the point. Victor clearly doesn’t think much of Wales yet they reached a semi final and deservedly so.

[John Smith]

Yep a national team that reached the semi finals of a major tournament and knocked out a superb Belgian side in doing so. As for HRK he has had a perfectly decent career. How many other players in our entire history have scored an outstanding goal in a major international quarter final?

Not really a fair question that.

It’s an entirely fair question

Seol Ki-Hyeon

Cheers.

[Zip]

Not really a fair question that.

It’s an entirely fair question

Seol Ki-Hyeon

Cheers.

That was a last 16 game

[John Smith]

It’s an entirely fair question

Seol Ki-Hyeon

Cheers.

That was a last 16 game

Spain vs South Korea
Co-hosts South Korea faced Spain in the 2002 World Cup quarter-finals on 22 June, in Gwangju.

22 June 200215:30
Spain 0–0 (a.e.t.) South Korea
Hierro Penalty scored
Baraja Penalty scored
Xavi Penalty scored
Joaquín Penalty missed
Penalty scored Hwang Sun-hong
Penalty scored Park Ji-sung
Penalty scored Seol Ki-hyeon
Penalty scored Ahn Jung-hwan
Penalty scored Hong Myung-bo

Is your head in the sand?

[NewCorkSeth]

It’s an entirely fair question

I don't think we've had another player apart from Gunter who has even played in a major international quarter final. Unless Keown did. Or Bridge.

That’s the point. Victor clearly doesn’t think much of Wales yet they reached a semi final and deservedly so.

I would worry about Victor if he did think much of Wales. They're shite.

The fact that not one of other international players at any point in our history has, to my knowledge, played in a major tournaments semi final dampens your point rather than enhancing it. Wales did well to get there and did well to beat Belgium but are still a poor team without a plethora of options at RB. Iceland and Norn Iron also did well that competition. Doesn't mean Kyle Lafferty is a good striker or

[Victor Meldrew]

It’s an entirely fair question

I don't think we've had another player apart from Gunter who has even played in a major international quarter final. Unless Keown did. Or Bridge.

That’s the point. Victor clearly doesn’t think much of Wales yet they reached a semi final and deservedly so.

And then failed to even qualify for the World Cup.
Flashes in the pan can happen (our 3rd under Stam?) but that doesn't make the players special nor the team.

[Zip]

Seol Ki-Hyeon

Cheers.

That was a last 16 game

Spain vs South Korea
Co-hosts South Korea faced Spain in the 2002 World Cup quarter-finals on 22 June, in Gwangju.

22 June 200215:30
Spain 0–0 (a.e.t.) South Korea
Hierro Penalty scored
Baraja Penalty scored
Xavi Penalty scored
Joaquín Penalty missed
Penalty scored Hwang Sun-hong
Penalty scored Park Ji-sung
Penalty scored Seol Ki-hyeon
Penalty scored Ahn Jung-hwan
Penalty scored Hong Myung-bo

Is your head in the sand?

No. I think yours is. I referred to an outstanding goal. Scoring a pen is hardly that.

[leon]

That was a last 16 game

Spain vs South Korea
Co-hosts South Korea faced Spain in the 2002 World Cup quarter-finals on 22 June, in Gwangju.

22 June 200215:30
Spain 0–0 (a.e.t.) South Korea
Hierro Penalty scored
Baraja Penalty scored
Xavi Penalty scored
Joaquín Penalty missed
Penalty scored Hwang Sun-hong
Penalty scored Park Ji-sung
Penalty scored Seol Ki-hyeon
Penalty scored Ahn Jung-hwan
Penalty scored Hong Myung-bo

Is your head in the sand?

No. I think yours is. I referred to an outstanding goal. Scoring a pen is hardly that.

Apparently it was a back heel flick from the spot. A thing of beauty by all accounts.

[Zip]

Spain vs South Korea
Co-hosts South Korea faced Spain in the 2002 World Cup quarter-finals on 22 June, in Gwangju.

22 June 200215:30
Spain 0–0 (a.e.t.) South Korea
Hierro Penalty scored
Baraja Penalty scored
Xavi Penalty scored
Joaquín Penalty missed
Penalty scored Hwang Sun-hong
Penalty scored Park Ji-sung
Penalty scored Seol Ki-hyeon
Penalty scored Ahn Jung-hwan
Penalty scored Hong Myung-bo

Is your head in the sand?

No. I think yours is. I referred to an outstanding goal. Scoring a pen is hardly that.

Apparently it was a back heel flick from the spot. A thing of beauty by all accounts.

Didn’t he also perform a triple somersault before the back heel flick?

[muirinho]

And a certain Hal Robson-Kanu has had 44 caps for this fantastic National team albeit he has now retired after scoring 5 goals as a striker to concentrate on playing for West Brom reserves.

Yep a national team that reached the semi finals of a major tournament and knocked out a superb Belgian side in doing so. As for HRK he has had a perfectly decent career. How many other players in our entire history have scored an outstanding goal in a major international quarter final?

Not really a fair question that.

I agree it's not a fair question. Got to say HRK has had a fairly decent career though.

Are Gunter's caps for Wales particularly relevant to whether or not he's good enough for Reading? Well, it's not like we've another Welsh full-back in the squad for comparison. (Certainly wouldn't mind Paul Dummett or Ben Davies, if anyone's offering). However, generally speaking, there have always been other Championship full-backs that could have been picked for Wales instead, but aren't. So he's clearly not the worst option available.
In a similar vein, we can be reasonably sure that Richard Keogh is better than Paul McShane, as Keogh is still getting Ireland call-ups and McShane has been a bit-part player for a long time.

The most relevant thing about Gunter's caps for Wales though, is there are some nobbers who seem to think his mere presence in the club, or on the pitch, leads to doom. Because his negativity affects everybody. Or something.

And that's where his Welsh caps matter. He's been ever-present for the last 8 or 9 years at least. And in that time Wales have been up, and Wales have been down, and Wales have been about where you'd expect.

While he's been with Reading, we've also been up and down (7th and 3rd in the Championship, FA cup semi-final are "ups" for me. Anything between 10th and 14th is about right)

It's almost as if he doesn't affect everybody after all!

Pity really, if we could control that negativity vortex, we could arrange for him to go and hide in the away dressing-room, or something.

[Zip]

Yep a national team that reached the semi finals of a major tournament and knocked out a superb Belgian side in doing so. As for HRK he has had a perfectly decent career. How many other players in our entire history have scored an outstanding goal in a major international quarter final?

Not really a fair question that.

I agree it's not a fair question. Got to say HRK has had a fairly decent career though.

Are Gunter's caps for Wales particularly relevant to whether or not he's good enough for Reading? Well, it's not like we've another Welsh full-back in the squad for comparison. (Certainly wouldn't mind Paul Dummett or Ben Davies, if anyone's offering). However, generally speaking, there have always been other Championship full-backs that could have been picked for Wales instead, but aren't. So he's clearly not the worst option available.
In a similar vein, we can be reasonably sure that Richard Keogh is better than Paul McShane, as Keogh is still getting Ireland call-ups and McShane has been a bit-part player for a long time.

The most relevant thing about Gunter's caps for Wales though, is there are some nobbers who seem to think his mere presence in the club, or on the pitch, leads to doom. Because his negativity affects everybody. Or something.

And that's where his Welsh caps matter. He's been ever-present for the last 8 or 9 years at least. And in that time Wales have been up, and Wales have been down, and Wales have been about where you'd expect.



While he's been with Reading, we've also been up and down (7th and 3rd in the Championship, FA cup semi-final are "ups" for me. Anything between 10th and 14th is about right)

It's almost as if he doesn't affect everybody after all!

Pity really, if we could control that negativity vortex, we could arrange for him to go and hide in the away dressing-room, or something.

Yeah fair post. I thought Yiadom was our best player on Saturday but even then Gunter put in more crosses than he did (some of the crosses were too deep) so he can’t always be that negative. He was ok on Saturday and certainly far from the primary reason why we lost. Of course he was the player Victor just had to mention though when he posted his thoughts.

[NewCorkSeth]

Not really a fair question that.

I agree it's not a fair question. Got to say HRK has had a fairly decent career though.

Are Gunter's caps for Wales particularly relevant to whether or not he's good enough for Reading? Well, it's not like we've another Welsh full-back in the squad for comparison. (Certainly wouldn't mind Paul Dummett or Ben Davies, if anyone's offering). However, generally speaking, there have always been other Championship full-backs that could have been picked for Wales instead, but aren't. So he's clearly not the worst option available.
In a similar vein, we can be reasonably sure that Richard Keogh is better than Paul McShane, as Keogh is still getting Ireland call-ups and McShane has been a bit-part player for a long time.

The most relevant thing about Gunter's caps for Wales though, is there are some nobbers who seem to think his mere presence in the club, or on the pitch, leads to doom. Because his negativity affects everybody. Or something.

And that's where his Welsh caps matter. He's been ever-present for the last 8 or 9 years at least. And in that time Wales have been up, and Wales have been down, and Wales have been about where you'd expect.



While he's been with Reading, we've also been up and down (7th and 3rd in the Championship, FA cup semi-final are "ups" for me. Anything between 10th and 14th is about right)

It's almost as if he doesn't affect everybody after all!

Pity really, if we could control that negativity vortex, we could arrange for him to go and hide in the away dressing-room, or something.

Yeah fair post. I thought Yiadom was our best player on Saturday but even then Gunter put in more crosses than he did (some of the crosses were too deep) so he can’t always be that negative. He was ok on Saturday and certainly far from the primary reason why we lost. Of course he was the player Victor just had to mention though when he posted his thoughts.

Think I read somewhere that 4 of his 8 crosses were blocked by the first man and 3 were off target by being too deep. Play him on the left and put Yiadom back where he belongs.

[Zip]

I agree it's not a fair question. Got to say HRK has had a fairly decent career though.

Are Gunter's caps for Wales particularly relevant to whether or not he's good enough for Reading? Well, it's not like we've another Welsh full-back in the squad for comparison. (Certainly wouldn't mind Paul Dummett or Ben Davies, if anyone's offering). However, generally speaking, there have always been other Championship full-backs that could have been picked for Wales instead, but aren't. So he's clearly not the worst option available.
In a similar vein, we can be reasonably sure that Richard Keogh is better than Paul McShane, as Keogh is still getting Ireland call-ups and McShane has been a bit-part player for a long time.

The most relevant thing about Gunter's caps for Wales though, is there are some nobbers who seem to think his mere presence in the club, or on the pitch, leads to doom. Because his negativity affects everybody. Or something.

And that's where his Welsh caps matter. He's been ever-present for the last 8 or 9 years at least. And in that time Wales have been up, and Wales have been down, and Wales have been about where you'd expect.



While he's been with Reading, we've also been up and down (7th and 3rd in the Championship, FA cup semi-final are "ups" for me. Anything between 10th and 14th is about right)

It's almost as if he doesn't affect everybody after all!

Pity really, if we could control that negativity vortex, we could arrange for him to go and hide in the away dressing-room, or something.

Yeah fair post. I thought Yiadom was our best player on Saturday but even then Gunter put in more crosses than he did (some of the crosses were too deep) so he can’t always be that negative. He was ok on Saturday and certainly far from the primary reason why we lost. Of course he was the player Victor just had to mention though when he posted his thoughts.

Think I read somewhere that 4 of his 8 crosses were blocked by the first man and 3 were off target by being too deep. Play him on the left and put Yiadom back where he belongs.

Yes I would go with that and bring Obita in for Gunter when he returns to fitness. The point I was making is that Gunter does put his fair share of crosses in so is not stuck on the halfway line and does push forward at times.

[Victor Meldrew]

Are you sure?- I don't think Obita has many International caps.

[muirinho]

Yeah fair post. I thought Yiadom was our best player on Saturday but even then Gunter put in more crosses than he did (some of the crosses were too deep) so he can’t always be that negative. He was ok on Saturday and certainly far from the primary reason why we lost. Of course he was the player Victor just had to mention though when he posted his thoughts.

Think I read somewhere that 4 of his 8 crosses were blocked by the first man and 3 were off target by being too deep. Play him on the left and put Yiadom back where he belongs.

Yes I would go with that and bring Obita in for Gunter when he returns to fitness. The point I was making is that Gunter does put his fair share of crosses in so is not stuck on the halfway line and does push forward at times.

He also put in the best pass of the game, IMO, from midfield out to Yiadom. I was surprised he got the RB berth, and Yiadom switched - but they are both "advertised" as able to play on both sides.

I am wondering, though, whether Obita is "improving" the longer he doesn't play. I don't think it's in any way guaranteed he'll automatically drop back in - I think it will mainly be a three-way fight for the two slots.

[Zip]

Are you sure?- I don't think Obita has many International caps.

Sharrup Victor. Go and watch Bournemouth or summat.

[muirinho]

Are you sure?- I don't think Obita has many International caps.

got loads for Nigeria in Football manager. that counts, right?

[NewCorkSeth]

Yeah fair post. I thought Yiadom was our best player on Saturday but even then Gunter put in more crosses than he did (some of the crosses were too deep) so he can’t always be that negative. He was ok on Saturday and certainly far from the primary reason why we lost. Of course he was the player Victor just had to mention though when he posted his thoughts.

Think I read somewhere that 4 of his 8 crosses were blocked by the first man and 3 were off target by being too deep. Play him on the left and put Yiadom back where he belongs.

Yes I would go with that and bring Obita in for Gunter when he returns to fitness. The point I was making is that Gunter does put his fair share of crosses in so is not stuck on the halfway line and does push forward at times.

I'm getting pretty desperate to see Obita back. Absence has made my heart very fond of him.

With him back a back 4 of Yiadom--Moore--Ilori--Obita with Gunter and Blackett on the bench is looking much improved (on paper)

Hopefully with that Blackett can go back to being a CB which he is arguably much, much better at.