Shane Long

[Snowball]

What I'm doing is perfectly reasonable. I am basing my opinions on educated observations.


How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is crap?
How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is vital, the man who makes the team play?

How come that some listers, using the same process can say S Hunt is crap, especially in open play?
How come that some listers, using the same process can say S Hunt is the club's most important player and vital to our success?



Basing my opinions on having seen every home game plus away to Cardiff, Wolves and Brum,
and having watched highlights of other games etc on the site, and using my twenty years as a
player, and using my 5 years managing adults and God knows how many for kids, MY educated
observations are that Kebe is vastly under-rated and is more of a match-winner than Hunt.

The point is, these are just opinions, educated or not.
The difference is I produce actual evidence to support my case, you merely repeat your opinions.

Last season, all around me in the stand all I heard was that Bikey was total crap, a joke.

Now he's a very important player.

[Son of Len]

Personally i wish we could swap LONG FOR COX!!

Bolton keen on Cox
Megson eyes Swindon raid for striker
Last updated: 24th January 2009

Skysports.com understands Bolton Wanderers are the latest club to have made an offer for 17-goal Swindon striker Simon Cox.

Huddersfield Town last week had a £500,000 bid rejected for the former Reading player, whilst Spurs, Fulham, Sheffield United and Barnsley are all thought to be considering a move for the 21-year-old.

Swindon Town manager Danny Wilson stated this month that while he is not looking to sell Cox, every player has a price. The Swindon board are thought to value the club's top scorer at £1million.

The League One hotshot, meanwhile, has rejected a contract extension at the County Ground.

A spokesperson for Touchline Soccer, who represent Cox, said: "Simon has 18 months remaining on his current deal so there is no urgency to extend his contract. He wants to concentrate on continuing to play well and adding to his impressive goal tally. Let's reassess the situation at the end of the season, and we'll go from there."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4841394,00.html

I would rather swap Mooney for Cox. Then we could play the Long-Cox pair in ressies.



Okay. I'm sure that's old...

[Platypuss]

God knows what that says about the chances of others on this thread carry out the most basic arithmetic without the use of a calculator.

And that was after the edit.

[West Stand Man]

God knows what that says about the chances of others on this thread carry out the most basic arithmetic without the use of a calculator.

And that was after the edit.

#

Scary isn't it.

[Huntley & Palmer]

What I'm doing is perfectly reasonable. I am basing my opinions on educated observations.


How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is crap?
How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is vital, the man who makes the team play?

How come that some listers, using the same process can say S Hunt is crap, especially in open play?
How come that some listers, using the same process can say S Hunt is the club's most important player and vital to our success?



Basing my opinions on having seen every home game plus away to Cardiff, Wolves and Brum,
and having watched highlights of other games etc on the site, and using my twenty years as a
player, and using my 5 years managing adults and God knows how many for kids, MY educated
observations are that Kebe is vastly under-rated and is more of a match-winner than Hunt.

The point is, these are just opinions, educated or not.
The difference is I produce actual evidence to support my case, you merely repeat your opinions.

Last season, all around me in the stand all I heard was that Bikey was total crap, a joke.

Now he's a very important player.

Just a general LOL at this poster and his short life on this board. Classic comedy gold

[Snowball]

An insult from a fool is a compliment.

[PlasticRoyale]

What's your other username Snowball? You seem to be able to hit all the right buttons when it comes to winding HNA? users up.

You're either guenuine (then fair pLOLay) or the Captain Birdseye of fishing

[Snowball]

What's your other username Snowball? You seem to be able to hit all the right buttons when it comes to winding HNA? users up.


Well that's not hard.

All you have to do is be accurate and logical
and 99% of football fans will go ballistic.

[PlasticRoyale]

What's your other username Snowball? You seem to be able to hit all the right buttons when it comes to winding HNA? users up.


Well that's not hard.

All you have to do is be accurate and logical
and 99% of football fans will go ballistic.

Fair enough! I usually avoid the team board because of these types of arguments. Far too much football chat on these boards

[Woodcote Royal]

God knows what that says about the chances of others on this thread carry out the most basic arithmetic without the use of a calculator.

And that was after the edit.

#

Scary isn't it.

Sure is.

If this response was deemed worth the bandwidth (and from a mod at that ) I rest my case.

[Woodcote Royal]

What I'm doing is perfectly reasonable. I am basing my opinions on educated observations.


How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is crap?
How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is vital, the man who makes the team play?

How come that some listers, using the same process can say S Hunt is crap, especially in open play?
How come that some listers, using the same process can say S Hunt is the club's most important player and vital to our success?



Basing my opinions on having seen every home game plus away to Cardiff, Wolves and Brum,
and having watched highlights of other games etc on the site, and using my twenty years as a
player, and using my 5 years managing adults and God knows how many for kids, MY educated
observations are that Kebe is vastly under-rated and is more of a match-winner than Hunt.

The point is, these are just opinions, educated or not.
The difference is I produce actual evidence to support my case, you merely repeat your opinions.

Last season, all around me in the stand all I heard was that Bikey was total crap, a joke.

Now he's a very important player.

Just a general LOL at this poster and his short life on this board. Classic comedy gold

Having delivered more cold hard facts in just a few days than many on here could produce in a life time, the need for those who prefer to moderate the kind of bilge that has driven many away to undermine such a contributor, was, sadly, all too predictable.

[Huntley & Palmer]

An insult from a fool is a compliment.

It was a compliment, you truly are my new favourite poster

[Huntley & Palmer]

Having delivered more cold hard facts in just a few days than many on here could produce in a life time, the need for those who prefer to moderate the kind of bilge that has driven many away to undermine such a contributor, was, sadly, all too predictable.

How is Sidwell doing?

[The 17 Bus]

Having delivered more cold hard facts in just a few days than many on here could produce in a life time, the need for those who prefer to moderate the kind of bilge that has driven many away to undermine such a contributor, was, sadly, all too predictable.

How is Sidwell doing?

season was with a top 2 club.

Not so well, only 4th this season, last

[heathrow royal]

What I'm doing is perfectly reasonable. I am basing my opinions on educated observations.


How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is crap?
How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is vital, the man who makes the team play?

Who the hell is Harpur??????

[SpaceCruiser]

How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is crap?

Who is Harpur?

I've by-passed all the crap on this thread, I can't be bothered to read your long stats filled posts. But looking at the past two pages, are you now arguing that Long is a better player than Noel Hunt?

When I first saw Hunt play in the league cup against Luton, I was very impressed by him and thought he should start alongside Doyle in the league. I was proven right.

[Vision]

Shane Long scored in his last league start for us.

Neither Doyle , Lita or Hunt did. Therefore quite clearly Long should start the next game. The stats demand it.

[Woodcote Royal]

Having delivered more cold hard facts in just a few days than many on here could produce in a life time, the need for those who prefer to moderate the kind of bilge that has driven many away to undermine such a contributor, was, sadly, all too predictable.

How is Sidwell doing?

I've already said elsewhere that Sidwell is doing well this season but am at a loss to understand why a mod would wish to undermine a thread on a completely different topic unless, of course, the truth really hurts that much.

Whatever you think of Snowball's views, unlike most he's backed them up time and again with hard facts and if that earns him little but ridicule from those who are supposed to run this forum, there really is nothing left to say.

[S09Royal]

What I'm doing is perfectly reasonable. I am basing my opinions on educated observations.


How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is crap?
How come that some listers, using the same process can say Harpur is vital, the man who makes the team play?

Who the hell is Harpur??????

Harpurrr is a cat

[CMRoyal]

What's your other username Snowball? You seem to be able to hit all the right buttons when it comes to winding HNA? users up.


Well that's not hard.

All you have to do is be accurate and logical
and 99% of football fans will go ballistic.

Are you sure it's 99%? Where's the evidence?

The problem with stats and logic is that they only tell you so much. There are so many variables to upset cold hard logic, eg A Leftwinger may have 56% completed passes compared to A Rightwinger's 52%. But what if A Leftwinger had an international-class B Leftback to pass to, compared to a revolving series of inadequate players filling the right-back position?

OK, that doesn't apply to Reading, but we know that things aren't entirely symmetrical - Rosenior/Kebe seems a more fluent partnership than Hunt/Armstrong, but how do stats show how much of that can be attributed to the individual players? Also, when Harps/Cisse play together, the accent seems to me to be more towards feeding the left-wing than the right. How much is that down to Hunt (who then gets more chance to cross/pass/shoot) and how much is it down to Harper being left-footed, or the runs the front players make, or the way the opposition sets itself out (maybe they pay more respect to an established ex-Premiership player)?

So, please excuse some of us for being sceptical if you state an opinion and then produce a series of statistics that you allege "prove" your case. You can buttress an argument with stats up to a point, but numbers don't line opinions with a copper bottom, all they can do is illustrate your point. This "I am right, I have the numbers to prove it" actuarial approach is bound to wind people up because we know the game is far more nuanced, intricate and random than that. And thank goodness it is, else it would be extremely boring!