Super Jem

[Maguire]

Tough tackling? He's nine stone wet through.

He's very strong for his size and frequently firm in the tackle and about as tenacious as anyone. "Wet through" is the last thing I'd describe Karacan as.

I didn't describe him as "wet through" you absolute cretin.

I think he's weak as it happens, often gets brushed aside by stronger, more physically mature players. He's a harrier, a ankle nibbler if you will, not someone who's going to put in a big reducer on the opposition.

[Ian Royal]

those assets have depreciated though, its not made up

Didn't say it was.

[Ian Royal]

Tough tackling? He's nine stone wet through.

He's very strong for his size and frequently firm in the tackle and about as tenacious as anyone. "Wet through" is the last thing I'd describe Karacan as.

I didn't describe him as "wet through" you absolute cretin.

I think he's weak as it happens, often gets brushed aside by stronger, more physically mature players. He's a harrier, a ankle nibbler if you will, not someone who's going to put in a big reducer on the opposition.

Oh you didn't did you? My mistake clearly.

[melonhead]

no you div

9 stone wet through is a saying that means hes very skinny- and only weight 9 stone if he was soaking wet-ie the water was making up much of that weight

[Archie's penalty]

Lol at Ian Royal! But I disagree with Mags. Jem is pretty tough.

[Ian Royal]

Fair enough. Although Mags is still talking bollocks seeing as he actually weighs 10st 8lbs.

[M-U-R-T-Y]

I don't think he was messiah-like yesterday... better towards the end. I think it was him who played a superb pass into Antonio who fluffed his run near the end.

[Mike Hunt]

Don't forget his lobbed through-ball For Church's goal @ Leeds...

[Lydia Dustbin]

I like Jem Karacan a lot.

[Z175]

Sorry to dissent but I must be missing something. He can make the occassional good long pass, he has a great engine and gets back well.

But for me this is his worst season, regularly passes it out of play and offers very little tackling. This season we have been excellent at the back and our three strikers put in a lot of work rate. But we play with no midfield. Leigertwood is superb at ball winning and his occasional cameo runs but doesn't pass well. Therefore its hoofed over or played out though the full backs.

To me to laud Karacan, or acclaim him POTY, is banal as he is a midfielder who can't pass, can't tackle and certainly can't score in a season where our midfield is bypassed.bi should imagine his OPTA stats read like pass completion 12%,tackles made 0, tackle success rate 0%...

I don't like to criticise and I wouldnt add to a thread slagging anyone. But when the brilliance of McAnuff and Federici are glossed over, I am just bemused by the karacan of love. Unlike most slaggers I recognise players can improve and I think Jembas raw attributes give him more chance than most. Hes had good games this new year too, but for me engine isn't enough.

Still I would put him in the team for his sheer pace and wholehearted commitment. Last season he killed himself for three points at home to Ipswich. I love him for that. But only in Britain where church's pointless closing down inspires a mighty roar and post match praise from the manager, could we hail Karacan as super Jem.

[melonhead]

Fair enough. Although Mags is still talking bollocks seeing as he actually weighs 10st 8lbs.

i think a little judicious exaggeration is allowed in this context tbf-its not a guess the weight game at the local fete

[ZacNaloen]

To me to laud Karacan, or acclaim him POTY, is banal as he is a midfielder who can't pass, can't tackle

[winchester_royal]

Not only was that statement totally wrong, but also an incorrect use of the word 'banal'.

[Maguire]

Fair enough. Although Mags is still talking bollocks seeing as he actually weighs 10st 8lbs.

i think a little judicious exaggeration is allowed in this context tbf-its not a guess the weight game at the local fete

Cheers brendy. I'm used to Ian Royal missing the point but thanks for sticking up for me in my absence.

[melonhead]

Fair enough. Although Mags is still talking bollocks seeing as he actually weighs 10st 8lbs.

i think a little judicious exaggeration is allowed in this context tbf-its not a guess the weight game at the local fete

Cheers brendy. I'm used to Ian Royal missing the point but thanks for sticking up for me in my absence.

i knew it would upset you deeply, and heaven forfend that youd be bullied off the board in a drove

[Ian Royal]

Hopefully I've managed to dispel the myth that I don't hold my hands up when I've got something wrong...(yeah right ) so Thanks Mags and Brendy. And sorry Mags. My misunderstanding.

[Maguire]

No worries man, we all do it

[melonhead]

i dont

[Z175]

Not only was that statement totally wrong, but also an incorrect use of the word 'banal'.

By the way it can mean inanely stupid to the point of being essentially pointless in itself. Such as "Commenting on words and grammar in a football related post is a banal appendage to an unsubstantiated comment."

I assume your name is not because you attended a well known school where you may have been taught English.

[andrew1957]

Sorry to dissent but I must be missing something. He can make the occassional good long pass, he has a great engine and gets back well.

But for me this is his worst season, regularly passes it out of play and offers very little tackling. This season we have been excellent at the back and our three strikers put in a lot of work rate. But we play with no midfield. Leigertwood is superb at ball winning and his occasional cameo runs but doesn't pass well. Therefore its hoofed over or played out though the full backs.

To me to laud Karacan, or acclaim him POTY, is banal as he is a midfielder who can't pass, can't tackle and certainly can't score in a season where our midfield is bypassed.bi should imagine his OPTA stats read like pass completion 12%,tackles made 0, tackle success rate 0%...

I don't like to criticise and I wouldnt add to a thread slagging anyone. But when the brilliance of McAnuff and Federici are glossed over, I am just bemused by the karacan of love. Unlike most slaggers I recognise players can improve and I think Jembas raw attributes give him more chance than most. Hes had good games this new year too, but for me engine isn't enough.

Still I would put him in the team for his sheer pace and wholehearted commitment. Last season he killed himself for three points at home to Ipswich. I love him for that. But only in Britain where church's pointless closing down inspires a mighty roar and post match praise from the manager, could we hail Karacan as super Jem.

We must watch a different player each week. The Stevenage match said it all about how much we need Karacan. Without him we were very poor.

He has grown into such a key part of our squad and one day will go a PL club for many millions of pounds if we don’t get promoted first.

He has astounding energy, his passing has come on in leaps and bounds this season and he is now looking to get forward more (and I think will score more goals as this season goes on).

He constantly bosses midfield and creates space for our more creative players.

He would be the first name on my team sheet every week.