Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

[Para Handy]

Sometimes you just can't be bothered.

That would be when realisation struck would it? FTR you are a massive twat, Ideal is too. Just saying.

[Hampshire Royal]

Don't have a go at TheSeige, I honestly don't think he can help what he thinks, and Ideal has so often been exposed on here as the nasty piece of work that he really is. Mind you, can he really help what he thinks? It was interesting to read the other poster in Norway mentioning the racism he sees there. It was also interesting to read Ideal's excuses for Breivik saying that because he was an abused child, that this is the prime cause of his murdering 70-odd people. I know a number of people who have been abused as children and none of them have used it as an excuse to indescriminately murder people (mainly children). What it has done is to make them more protective of children.

Just out of interest, Para, where does your username come from?

[Stuboo]

That's what I mean, if they're going to be precious, and won't like the criticism if they've played badly, for example, then they shouldn't be tweeting. All this worrrlldyyy, flames! nonsense gets my goat too - I think I might unfollow most players now tbh.

Apart from Noel Hunt - who was what twitter was invented for. Just a class stream of consciousness from the little wizard.

Yeah, off topic sorry, but I like Noel Hunt on Twitter too.

[Para Handy]

Don't have a go at TheSeige, I honestly don't think he can help what he thinks, and Ideal has so often been exposed on here as the nasty piece of work that he really is. Mind you, can he really help what he thinks? It was interesting to read the other poster in Norway mentioning the racism he sees there. It was also interesting to read Ideal's excuses for Breivik saying that because he was an abused child, that this is the prime cause of his murdering 70-odd people. I know a number of people who have been abused as children and none of them have used it as an excuse to indescriminately murder people (mainly children). What it has done is to make them more protective of children.

Just out of interest, Para, where does your username come from?

Hampshire,

My username was chosen somewhat at random. I'm not sure that I'm entirely comfortable with it.

It's been attributed to me being both a paraplegic and in the Paras.

Neither of which, of course, are true. Para Handy is a fisherman although, paradoxically, that's not my purpose on here. Probably most know Para Handy as a BBC series starring Gregor FIsher. However, being primarily a reader rather than a viewer I chose the name after visiting Loch Fyne and Inveraray.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para_Handy

[mr_number]

This thread just astonishes me. Of all the crap, poorly informed and argued 'discussions' on here, this is by far the worst.

[BraisingsteakRoyal]

Quite a few posters on this thread come across as borderline special needs.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

Quite a few posters on this thread come across as borderline special needs.

Yep, that's why I bailed out 5 pages ago, saying

........and of course all the casual internet racists have turned up as if on cue in order to muddy the waters even further.

[Lacoste]

Another thread ruined by Para Handy

If you are unable to join in a conversation, fcuk off.

[melonhead]

TheSiege, it's quite funny really, how those forum users take to their high horse and preach how much better they are than others, yet in their own post they spout hatefilled vile language, branding others with names and what not, all the time claiming that it is the others and not themselves who are full of hate.
I say they are the ones spouting hateful rubbish, they are just too blind to understand it, and they do it simply because someone dares to challenge their opinions.

My thanks for sensible support. There are a ghetto of people on this site who think that they are Gods because they joined the site early - or their friends did. They are not true RFC fans, if they were they would support and criticize depending on the situation of the team and they would do both logically and with a sensible view of the division we are
in. I use this site as a supporter of far more years than most of them, I say what I think needs to be said and I do'nt give a damn about their consistent support of each other and denigration of anyone who speaks sense.

If you read through many of the threads on this site, it is the contributors who speak the most sense who get the most vile abuse. Such is the destruction of our education system and the rise of the X-factor contributor!

lol if you are putting yourself and ideal in that group

[melonhead]

Okay slightly off the subject but i am intrigued to know more about mixed race players.
I am really not trying to be funny but why do they always consider themselves to be black?
I have to be honest if i was mixed race i would find that offensive to the white parent i had.
And if its okay for one black person to call another black person the N word what about if a mixed race person does?
Is that racist or not?

half racist



seriously though
im not sure they all consider themselves black at all, just acknowledge their black ancestry

[melonhead]

trying to bring the thread back to the discussion we were having before it was ruined.


im worried with the idea of a union for black and ethinc players, as that simply dilutes the power of the PFA who are probably the best union in this country, bar none.
i can only hope that its a move designed to trigger some real action on the part of the FA/premiere league in drawing up a really transparent consistent and fair policy on how to deal with racist incidents in football,
and also lobbying fifa and uefa to take real effective action when it happens on their patch(though i understand this is difficult, given their hatred of england, and resentment of the FA)

[Extended-Phenotype]

I'd rather have someone be racist at me, since as a white person, it wouldn't really carry much meaning. Not sure how I'd feel as a black person though.

And the difference being?

it doesnt carry any meaning to a white person
we havent been enslaved, murdered, beaten, oppressed, discriminated against purely on the basis of our skin colour etc for thousands of years

agreed its only name calling though, and better than violence
and to me, a comfrotable white man, it would be no worse than someone calling me a ginger oxf*rd, a bald oxf*rd, or a welsh oxf*rd

+10000

I notice when this answer is given to that repeatedly asked question, things always go a little silent in retard corner. That or it's glossed over. Doesn't fit with their agenda of diluting racism, you see. If they were honestly interested in discussing the issue, I'd have expected a response to this.

You never get one though, and that speaks volumes.

[mr_number]

I'm not sure if people have seen it, but Cyrille Regis has said that the protest on Saturday was in relation to the length of the punishment for John Terry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oc ... ut-protest

Whilst addressing KIO as the target of the protest may initially seem misguided, the opportunity to make a comment about the poor attitude authorities, with which KIO is intrinsically linked, seems to me to be justified.

Oh, and thanks Meloners & E-P for pointing out the above.

[Hoop Blah]

If those protesting really felt it was about Terry's punishment, and KIO was just the opportunity to voice their concerns, why is it left the Regis to make this statement 3 days after the event?

Why wasn't this made clear at the time instead of harping on about Serbia and all the other things that really kicked this off?

Just to comment on one part of Regis' argument, and one I just read by Richard Langley on the BBC, the FA had no real choice in the speed at which they dealt with Terry's case. They were forced into leaving it that long so as not to tread on the toes of the criminal case. It would've been great if they'd taken the bull by the horns and cleared it up quickly but I really think their hands were tied.

If there is such anger over Terry's ban why haven't they given any indication of what they think would've been a just sentence and the reasons behind it. I can understand the logic of 4 vs 8 games for the two recent cases, I can't really see the logic behind saying the muliple abuse isn't worse than one outburst.

[melonhead]

If those protesting really felt it was about Terry's punishment, and KIO was just the opportunity to voice their concerns, why is it left the Regis to make this statement 3 days after the event?

Why wasn't this made clear at the time instead of harping on about Serbia and all the other things that really kicked this off?

.

was always a combination of things tbf,terrys punishment included, as stated clearly by roberts on tv radio and in print,to be fair

all culminating in this action, as its thought by black players, that they arent given representation, that the pfa/fa/prem all pay lip service to racism, while doing little in terms of concrete action to allay their fears.

they picked KIO as the best way to highlight it, bring attention to it, and force action

[melonhead]

If there is such anger over Terry's ban why haven't they given any indication of what they think would've been a just sentence and the reasons behind it. I can understand the logic of 4 vs 8 games for the two recent cases, I can't really see the logic behind saying the muliple abuse isn't worse than one outburst.

i think what they want is a clear policy from the FA about how future offences will be dealt with, that is open, and transparent, and consistent, in a way that the suarez/terry cases most certainly werent

this would make sure that it was not possible to look at a future case judgement and be able to think one was deleyed or more lenienty, due to any racism inherrant in the system itself.

i cant see the logic behind the 4-8 game ban at all
if anything i think it could be argued they were the wrong way round, in that suarez had more mitigation in that the word he used is a common part of his national language, and carries few racist connotations from his point of view, plus he admitted it straight away.
and john terry tried tio lie and blag his way throuproceedings to get away with it.

it should be zero tolerance. if you use racist(or homophobic, or sectarian) language on th efield, it should be a 8 match ban(or 4 if prefferred,) for every oneand this should be doubled each time it occurs.

you cant use the exuse that its just descriptive,or that it was just an outburst , that you arent a racist, the words just came out
you cant distinguish like that.
would be like you punching someone in the street, and then asking the police to let you off cos you arent usually a violent person.
the authorities can only judge by your actions.if you punch someone, youre violent, if you use abuse someone racially, youre a racist,
etc

[Royal Lady]

See, I said it was Roberts getting the hump over JT's length of ban.

[No Fixed Abode]

Joey Barton violent conduct = 12 games
Suarez, guilty of racist abuse = 8 games
JT, not guilty of racist abuse = 4 games
Spitting by El Hadj Diouf = 2 games

Should have been

Spitting by El Hadj Diouf = Life ban
Joey Barton violent conduct = 12 games
Suarez, guilty of racist abuse = 8 games
JT, not guilty of racist abuse = 0 games

[Isaac Hunt]

Joey Barton violent conduct = 12 games
Suarez, guilty of racist abuse = 8 games
JT, guilty of racist abuse = 4 games
Spitting by El Hadj Diouf = 2 games

Corrected for you.

[No Fixed Abode]

How many of you are guilty of singing along to 'You fat bztard'... at games?

Just as bad as calling someone a black bztard imo.