Failure to buy a striker

[brendywendy]

:lol: The club often talks about ambition, but that doesn't have to mean it wants to get instant results by taking risks, and certainly doesn't mean anyone at the club considers us massive.

You need to get a sense of perspective and look through your prejudice.

Sadly, and disturbingly, I find myself agreeing with Royalee. The utter clap-trap that SJM peddles is simply laughable. In order to push for honours you need to be competitive. You need to be seen to be a club that wants to move upwards. You ned to be seen to be progressive in order that the good players will want to come to the club. SJM sees his priorities lie elsewhere and is not prepared to invest in the football club anymore. That is his decision. The people who buy the season tickets are the ones that have been duped.

we are competetive though. see results Vs the top half of table.
if our strikers improve, or they dont and we get another one in jan then surely we can make a push for the playoff from midtable, and deliver the promise of a chance at promotion.

LOL at being duped. how?
id buy my season ticket regardless of league/results/spending/management

[brendywendy]

How many times does SJM open his mouth and talk bullshit? "I am as determined as ever to get into the Premier League" is his usual mantra. This is where customers have been mugged.

i honestly think the fault is yours if you think the quoted statement means that he will be ploughing his own cash in to fund it.
he is as determined as he ever was, to gain promotion, without breaking the bank, through sensible football and financial management, just like we did last time.

[Snowball]

we are competetive though. see results Vs the top half of table.

Brendy is right. Look how well we've done against top-half sides

Played 9 Won 3 Drawn 4 Lost 2 3 Clean Sheets 17 -12 +5 GD 13 Points = 1.44 Points per Game

That equates to a 66-point season

[Row Z Royal]

we are competetive though. see results Vs the top half of table.

Brendy is right. Look how well we've done against top-half sides

Played 9 Won 3 Drawn 4 Lost 2 3 Clean Sheets 17 -12 +5 GD 13 Points = 1.44 Points per Game

That equates to a 66-point season

If you only want to play the teams in the top half then feckk orf to Scotland.

[Snowball]

Don't be silly. Row Z


Taht point merely shows we are competitive with the top sides. Nobody has argued for
only playing the top teams

[Wycombe Royal]

we are competetive though. see results Vs the top half of table.

Brendy is right. Look how well we've done against top-half sides

Played 9 Won 3 Drawn 4 Lost 2 3 Clean Sheets 17 -12 +5 GD 13 Points = 1.44 Points per Game

That equates to a 66-point season

Unfortunately though we aren't as competitive against the bottom half teams - having only picked up 1.3 points per game average (19th best in the division).

So we are competitive against the top sides, but not the bottom ones. We have also only scored 11 goals against the bottom half teams.

[Snowball]

I checked (AGAINST THE CURRENT BOTTOM HALF)

and we look better than suggested.

Either they've missed a game or they mean "in the bottom half when played"

3-0 Barnsley
3-0 Crystal Palace
2-1 Leicester City
1-0 Ipswich Town

1-1 Portsmouth
1-1 Watford
1-1 Preston North End
0-0 Millwall

0-1 Bristol City
1-2 Scunthorpe United
1-3 Middlesbrough

P11 W4 D4 L3 14-10 16 Points from 11 games 1.454 ppg

TO PLAY

20 Sheffield United
18 Hull City 1

[Snowball]

Spot the deliberate mistake



(Barnsley 12th are TOP half)

[Snowball]

Against the ten sides currently above us

1-3 Queens Park Rangers
1-1 Cardiff City
0-1 Swansea City
3-3 Norwich City
4-0 Burnley
0-0 Leeds United
1-1 Nottingham Forest
4-3 Doncaster Rovers

P8 W2 D4 L2 14-12 10 Points @ 1.25 points per game.

Sorry, I just can't make myself think of 12th-placed Barnsley as a top side


TO PLAY

4 Derby County
6 Coventry City

[Snowball]

P08 W2 D4 L2 14-12 10 Points @ 1.250 points per game. (Sides currently above Reading) TOP TEN
P11 W4 D4 L3 14-10 16 Points @ 1.454 points per game. (Sides currently below Reading) BOTTOM THIRTEEN

Pretty much how we'd expect things. I hope by season's end we
don't seriously regret that duff 1-2 v Scunthorpe first game of the season

[Wycombe Royal]

I give up, I really do.

Barnsley ARE top half. End of story. Football365 is correct.

We have performed better against the CURRENT top half than the CURRENT bottom half.

You method of using teams above/below is stupid and pointless. Please can you show us the stats for QPR using that method?

[brendywendy]

we are competetive though. see results Vs the top half of table.

Brendy is right. Look how well we've done against top-half sides

Played 9 Won 3 Drawn 4 Lost 2 3 Clean Sheets 17 -12 +5 GD 13 Points = 1.44 Points per Game

That equates to a 66-point season

and that = competetive

[Snowball]

I give up, I really do.

Barnsley ARE top half. End of story. Football365 is correct.

We have performed better against the CURRENT top half than the CURRENT bottom half.

Jesus, I KNOW that and I SAID that. I made a mistake in my first post
and pointed it out.

I still find it PERFECTLY relevant to taklk about "clubs currently above us (tougher games) v clubs currently below us ("easier games"

It's not a fudge, or trying to manipulate stats or anything, just one view of the world

Personally I think the split should be in thirds anyway. Serious contenders for the top-eight (ie the top
mid-table obscurity sides, and the relegation-endangered.

[Snowball]

Brendy is right. Look how well we've done against top-half sides
Played 9 Won 3 Drawn 4 Lost 2 3 Clean Sheets 17 -12 +5 GD 13 Points = 1.44 Points per Game
That equates to a 66-point season

and that = competetive

Yup but hammering Barnsley who are somehow clinging to 11th, kinda distorts things a bit

[Wycombe Royal]

I give up, I really do.

Barnsley ARE top half. End of story. Football365 is correct.

We have performed better against the CURRENT top half than the CURRENT bottom half.

Jesus, I KNOW that and I SAID that. I made a mistake in my first post
and pointed it out.

I still find it PERFECTLY relevant to taklk about "clubs currently above us (tougher games) v clubs currently below us ("easier games"

It's not a fudge, or trying to manipulate stats or anything, just one view of the world

Personally I think the split should be in thirds anyway. Serious contenders for the top-eight (ie the top
mid-table obscurity sides, and the relegation-endangered.

All methods aren't particularly good. Current position is not indicative of form or position when the opponent was played.

[Snowball]

All methods aren't particularly good. Current position is not indicative of form or position when the opponent was played.

Personally I think, overall, "latest position" and then "final position" is the fairest
because at least that gives you a season's average for a team.

Also (eg us v Bristol) you can play a side at the point it has turned a corner (or soon after)

or playing "lowly" RFC last season, when in fact we were rocketing!

[Sir Rodger Doyle]

actually- the only promises JM made to me were delivered, in full, and then some
I think it’s more to do with the rhetoric we get when season tickets go on sale. The old classic “This reiterates my desire and determination to get this club back in the Premier league” bollox.
LOL at you taking risks with JMs money. risk your own why dont you
As far as I can see, he hasn’t put a bean into the club since signing Leroy Lita. I, on the other hand have spent something like £5000 with the club in this time. While I accept that it is my choice to do so, I feel let down by his empty promises. On a positive note my eldest boy is becoming increasingly apathetic about going to matches at the moment, so it seems I may not have to pay out for one season ticket at least. The money I spend on the club will not be returned to when it is sold. So, I am risking my money while he is not risking his.
im not apologising for him- he doesnt need apologising for- apart from in the deranged minds of mongs
I don’t need apologies, just the truth would do.
your moronic use of the 'black hole every year' just shows how much of a mong you are. it doesnt come from nowhere each year purely as an excuse for him not to spend. we bring in less than we spent. as long as that happens(and weve gone a huge way in reducing wages to make sure it doesnt any more), and as long as companys have annual accounts there will always be a gap, every year. no need to get all conspiracy theory about it.
There is of course a disparity between revenue and costs. This is common to nearly all clubs in this country. The time when clubs could borrow money to meet deficits may be over, but the clubs already carrying these debts are fine so long as they can service them to the satisfaction of the creditor. We, as far as I know do not owe money to anyone. This may be fine for those who are financially responsible for the business, but it does make it very much harder for us to compete at this level. If JM cannot/will not invest money in the club then fine, I just wish he would come out and tell us. If we are to exist solely on the money we can generate as a business then I would rather yo-yo between the championship and league one, rather than shuffle around the middle of the Championship like an undead Zombie club. Every time we have a couple of players that are worth watching they are assets to the club on and off the field. I want to see players that get me out of my seat, players that can entertain and get us the results we all crave. If the future model of the club involves the selling of these assets in order to maintain JM’s position as the chairman, then I think the sooner he sells the better. Does anyone here really want the spectre of a mid-table groundhog season year on year?
LOL at you for thinking that "club modelling themselves on arsenal, and having the aim of wanting to be as big as arsenal"="club thinking they are as big as arsenal
Sorry, don’t really understand this bit. Howe did say something along these lines, but I think you would be as deluded (as he clearly was when he said it) if you took it literally.

[RoyalBlue]

actually- the only promises JM made to me were delivered, in full, and then some
I think it’s more to do with the rhetoric we get when season tickets go on sale. The old classic “This reiterates my desire and determination to get this club back in the Premier league” bollox.
LOL at you taking risks with JMs money. risk your own why dont you
As far as I can see, he hasn’t put a bean into the club since signing Leroy Lita. I, on the other hand have spent something like £5000 with the club in this time. While I accept that it is my choice to do so, I feel let down by his empty promises. On a positive note my eldest boy is becoming increasingly apathetic about going to matches at the moment, so it seems I may not have to pay out for one season ticket at least. The money I spend on the club will not be returned to when it is sold. So, I am risking my money while he is not risking his.
im not apologising for him- he doesnt need apologising for- apart from in the deranged minds of mongs
I don’t need apologies, just the truth would do.
your moronic use of the 'black hole every year' just shows how much of a mong you are. it doesnt come from nowhere each year purely as an excuse for him not to spend. we bring in less than we spent. as long as that happens(and weve gone a huge way in reducing wages to make sure it doesnt any more), and as long as companys have annual accounts there will always be a gap, every year. no need to get all conspiracy theory about it.
There is of course a disparity between revenue and costs. This is common to nearly all clubs in this country. The time when clubs could borrow money to meet deficits may be over, but the clubs already carrying these debts are fine so long as they can service them to the satisfaction of the creditor. We, as far as I know do not owe money to anyone. This may be fine for those who are financially responsible for the business, but it does make it very much harder for us to compete at this level. If JM cannot/will not invest money in the club then fine, I just wish he would come out and tell us. If we are to exist solely on the money we can generate as a business then I would rather yo-yo between the championship and league one, rather than shuffle around the middle of the Championship like an undead Zombie club. Every time we have a couple of players that are worth watching they are assets to the club on and off the field. I want to see players that get me out of my seat, players that can entertain and get us the results we all crave. If the future model of the club involves the selling of these assets in order to maintain JM’s position as the chairman, then I think the sooner he sells the better. Does anyone here really want the spectre of a mid-table groundhog season year on year?
LOL at you for thinking that "club modelling themselves on arsenal, and having the aim of wanting to be as big as arsenal"="club thinking they are as big as arsenal
Sorry, don’t really understand this bit. Howe did say something along these lines, but I think you would be as deluded (as he clearly was when he said it) if you took it literally.

SRD, you answer Brendy Wendy very well for me. Mind you, not that difficult when his arguments descend to calling anyone who dare challenge ‘Sir’ Madejski’s words and approaches. As we are dishing out the word mong, I would suggest that label best rests with yourself Brendy Wendy. Just how much exposure have you had to high levels of business, investors, banks etc? I would hazard a guess - and that is why you swallow everything you are fed. I would have thought ‘black hole’ is a very appropriate term given that to many a blackhole is something mysterious and which they struggle to understand. For years Madejski and his men fed us lines about how brilliantly run the club was and how financially secure. Yet despite that, they suddenly have to sell off our best players and reinvest virtually sod all of the proceeds. Still never mind, we are assured that has put this incredibly well run club on a sound footing for the future. Then guess what, season after season the same thing happens! Meanwhile Madejski continues to spout shyte about PL ambitions!! whilst showing about as action and ability in achieving that as fulfilling his stated desire to sell the club.

Of course, it is all the nasty bank’s fault for unexpectedly asking for its money back! Now I wonder why they did that. Could it have something to do with the fact that a certain individual who had become seen as the king pin of the club, very actively involved in the management with just a very small board and prepared to invest some of his own money, suddenly announces to the whole world that he wants out and stops investing/putting his own money at risk? Little wonder other investors grabbed their money and ran for the hills!!

And as other clubs continue to survive financial disaster and/or change ownership, our own chairman still can’t manage to sell his secure and incredibly well run club. Could that have as much to do with the individual as our rise to the PL?

[Snowball]

Did we not "take a serious punt" in the first year after relegation by upping the contracts for Doyle and Hunt
in the hope we could bounce straight back up?

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

We sure did SB, which just went to show that paying top dollar does not make a player play.