Drop Harte

[Snowball]

Minutes per Goal
Minutes per Assist
Minutes per Either


Excluding Antonio and Manset who have good ratios but very few minutes, McAnuff doesn't rate as high as you might think (7th)

He gets an assist every 5th game. Hunt is almost twice as prolific

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6 Assists 0537 Mins per Assist 20 Goals 0537 Minutes per Goal 3221 0026 Combined 124 Mins per Goal/Assist Long
7 Assists 0256 Mins per Assist 04 Goals 0256 Minutes per Goal 1794 0011 Combined 163 Mins per Goal/Assist Hunt

7 Assists 0226 Mins per Assist 00 Goals 0226 Minutes per Goal 1583 0007 Combined 226 Mins per Goal/Assist Howard
2 Assists 0534 Mins per Assist 02 Goals 0534 Minutes per Goal 1067 0004 Combined 267 Mins per Goal/Assist HRK

6 Assists 0492 Mins per Assist 05 Goals 0492 Minutes per Goal 2952 0011 Combined 268 Mins per Goal/Assist Kebe
1 Assists 1464 Mins per Assist 04 Goals 1464 Minutes per Goal 1464 0005 Combined 293 Mins per Goal/Assist Church

7 Assists 0444 Mins per Assist 03 Goals 0444 Minutes per Goal 3111 0010 Combined 311 Mins per Goal/Assist McAnuff
1 Assists 2986 Mins per Assist 08 Goals 2986 Minutes per Goal 2986 0009 Combined 332 Mins per Goal/Assist Harte

1 Assists 1512 Mins per Assist 02 Goals 1512 Minutes per Goal 1512 0003 Combined 504 Mins per Goal/Assist Elwood
2 Assists 1364 Mins per Assist 02 Goals 1364 Minutes per Goal 2727 0004 Combined 682 Mins per Goal/Assist Karacan

0 Assists 0000 Mins per Assist 04 Goals 0799 Minutes per Goal 3195 0004 Combined 799 Mins per Goal/Assist Mills
1 Assists 1269 Mins per Assist 00 Goals 1269 Minutes per Goal 1269 0001 Combined 999 Mins per Goal/Assist Tabb (1269)
0 Assists 0000 Mins per Assist 01 Goals 0000 Minutes per Goal 2061 0001 Combined 999 Mins per Goal/Assist Pearce (2061)

1 Assists 0427 Mins per Assist 01 Goals 0427 Minutes per Goal 0427 0002 Combined 214 Mins per Goal/Assist Antonio
0 Assists 0000 Mins per Assist 01 Goals 0101 Minutes per Goal 0101 0001 Combined 101 Mins per Goal/Assist Mansett

0 Assists 0000 Mins per Assist 00 Goals 0000 Minutes per Goal 3046 0000 Combined 000 Mins per Goal/Assist Federici
0 Assists 0000 Mins per Assist 00 Goals 0000 Minutes per Goal 2462 0000 Combined 000 Mins per Goal/Assist Griffin
0 Assists 0000 Mins per Assist 00 Goals 0000 Minutes per Goal 1180 0000 Combined 000 Mins per Goal/Assist Zurab
0 Assists 0000 Mins per Assist 00 Goals 0000 Minutes per Goal 0770 0000 Combined 000 Mins per Goal/Assist Cummings
0 Assists 0000 Mins per Assist 00 Goals 0000 Minutes per Goal 0710 0000 Combined 000 Mins per Goal/Assist Ingimarrson
0 Assists 0000 Mins per Assist 00 Goals 0000 Minutes per Goal 0501 0000 Combined 000 Mins per Goal/Assist Armstrong

[Snowball]

Yeah, drop Harte

[Ian Royal]

I hardly think that's fair, no one is calling for him to be dropped now. He's in excellent form. The thing about a 46 game season is things can change, quite drastically sometimes. Last season shows that rather spectacularly.

[Snowball]

I hardly think that's fair, no one is calling for him to be dropped now. He's in excellent form.
The thing about a 46 game season is things can change, quite drastically sometimes. Last season shows that rather spectacularly.

A FEW believed Harte was worth his place all along. They've been proved right.

A FEW believed in Long, all along. They've been proved right.

A FEW believed in Kebe, all along. They've been proved right.


Today, Harte was raped once by their winger, but OVERALL he had a great game and a crucial goal.


As said many times, too many on this board look for scapegoats
and many of those doing so don't have a clue about the game.


"Never-EVER", (Shane is 2 goals better than that impossible target with six games to go)

"Not Enough Goals, we'll never replace Siggy's goals" We have equaled last season's goals with six games spare and conceded 17 less.

"We'll be relegated. We will struggle all season." We are fifth, with a genuine chance of second.

[Ian Royal]

No people who thought Harte was good enough for this level have been proved right. People who thought he was showing poor form and causing our defence problems earlier in the season have not been proved wrong. The situation has simply changed and moved on as it is want to do.

Please stop equating some negativity with the whole board being completely negative. It simply isn't the case. You have a massive inability to be able to distinguish between individual's comments and the opinion of the majority.

And I would never have posted that Long would never score 20 goals at this level, so there was actually some measurable way of marking off whether he was good enough, if you hadn't been so over the top in your defence of him, when he wasn't actually performing anywhere near the level he is now, or well enough.

[Snowball]

No people who thought Harte was good enough for this level have been proved right. People who thought he was showing poor form and causing our defence problems earlier in the season have not been proved wrong. The situation has simply changed and moved on as it is want to do.

Nope. His stats overall, including all those early games, have been very good indeed.

He has played well ALL SEASON

[Ian Royal]

No people who thought Harte was good enough for this level have been proved right. People who thought he was showing poor form and causing our defence problems earlier in the season have not been proved wrong. The situation has simply changed and moved on as it is want to do.

Nope. His stats overall, including all those early games, have been very good indeed.

He has played well ALL SEASON

You simply don't get it. He could have a superb season, which he has on the whole, and still have been poor, or contributing to the team's problems more than his fair share for a half a dozen games or more and warranted people suggesting he should be dropped.

Stats do not tell the whole story. The stats now, do not reflect what was the case two months ago, things have changed.

[Ian Royal]

Oh, and if people knew that Armstrong had MS and was about to retire at the time I suspect there would have been fewer calls for Harte to be dropped, because they'd have realised there wasn't actually a great alternative waiting in the wings.

[Snowball]

Oh, and if people knew that Armstrong had MS and was about to retire at the time I suspect there would have been fewer calls for Harte to be dropped, because they'd have realised there wasn't actually a great alternative waiting in the wings.

Nothing to do with Armstrong.

Harte was outstanding last season for Carlisle and got 18 Goals.

This season, with six games left to play, he already has ten goals.

He is a very good left-back, with Champions League experience and has scored eight very important goals for us in 38 (0) games and is joint second-top scorer. With him playing we have conceded 40 goals in 38 games. (1.05)

In the 5 games he didn't play we conceded 6 goals (1.2 per game)

[Woodcote Royal]

Yeah, drop Harte

Buy a decent left back and play him at centre half, simple................................for some.

[Ian Royal]

I see you're still refusing to read what I'm actually saying and just repeating the same old thing again and again.

I hardly think the 3 or 4 games at the start of the season when Williams was playing is really relevant.

[Ian Royal]

I see you're still refusing to read what I'm actually saying and just repeating the same old thing again and again.

I hardly think the 3 or 4 games at the start of the season when Williams was playing is really relevant.

Shhh, don't ruin his waknfest. This is the part where he's rubbing it in..

You can shut up, your ridiculous over-criticism of Harte sparked this.

[rhroyal]

Lets be honest; Harte being dropped for those couple of games seems to reinvigorated him, given him a point to prove and made him play for his place in the team. It was the right decision and we were right to call for it when we did.

Kudos to McDermott for an excellent piece of man management; kudos to Harte for a good attitude and coming back stronger.

This really isn't a thread on which to ridicule people several weeks on. Who knows how Harte would be doing had he kept his place in the team and kept the feeling of security and comfort.

[Linden Jones' Tash]

Lets be honest; Harte being dropped for those couple of games seems to reinvigorated him, given him a point to prove and made him play for his place in the team. It was the right decision and we were right to call for it when we did.

Kudos to McDermott for an excellent piece of man management; kudos to Harte for a good attitude and coming back stronger.

This really isn't a thread on which to ridicule people several weeks on. Who knows how Harte would be doing had he kept his place in the team and kept the feeling of security and comfort.

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I agree with this sentiment actually - and on a general point Brian does seem to have a knack of dropping players and getting them to come back stronger/better, ie the dropping actually works, see Pearce, Harte, Howard recently as examples...(does Cummings count?)

To be controversial, maybe Jobi would benefit from it, his output is limited in my opinion, at the moment

[Ian Royal]

I would disagree on Jobi strongly, he may not be scoring or creating a lot of goals at the moment, and he had a bit of a weak game when he first came back from injury, but his quality is enormous and he adds so much to the team independent of scoring and assisting.

[brendywendy]

I would disagree on Jobi strongly, he may not be scoring or creating a lot of goals at the moment, and he had a bit of a weak game when he first came back from injury, but his quality is enormous and he adds so much to the team independent of scoring and assisting.

judging by HRKs last few appearances, i would say that jobi needs to start delivering a little more

[Ian Royal]

HRKs certainly starting to deliver and good for him. His main weaknesses were his decision making and that earlier in the season he seemed to wait for defenders to commit themselves, rather than forcing them to.

[bcubed]

Lets be honest; Harte being dropped for those couple of games seems to reinvigorated him, given him a point to prove and made him play for his place in the team. It was the right decision and we were right to call for it when we did.

Kudos to McDermott for an excellent piece of man management; kudos to Harte for a good attitude and coming back stronger.

This really isn't a thread on which to ridicule people several weeks on. Who knows how Harte would be doing had he kept his place in the team and kept the feeling of security and comfort.

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I agree with this sentiment actually - and on a general point Brian does seem to have a knack of dropping players and getting them to come back stronger/better, ie the dropping actually works, see Pearce, Harte, Howard recently as examples...(does Cummings count?)

To be controversial, maybe Jobi would benefit from it, his output is limited in my opinion, at the moment

Not particularly wanting to bring Snowball back into this debate but I wonder what jobi's stats tell us
Since a guy at work who is a Watford fan told me they were glad to see him go because he didn't score enough or get enough assists I have been watching him more critically. I have to say IMO he more often than not flatters to deceive with a mazy run but the final product is lacking. I think BM is keeping him in on loyalty grounds at the moment. HRK has looked impressive in every game recently and must be close to at start

[Linden Jones' Tash]

I have to agree, my view on HRK was "great on the ball, but only actually on the ball for a couple of minutes per appearance, and anonymous the remainder of the time".

His form on this recent run has made me change my mind about whether he can make it (ie. Feel more positive now)

Jobi reminds me of those players who look good, but flatter to deceive in terms of end product - and to IR's other point, should you keep a player in for non-playing reasons?...don't know

[ankeny]

Don't post on here much, think you're all a load of obnoxious twat

Harsh but true