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Re: Drop Harte

by Ian Royal » 10 Apr 2011 19:41

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rhroyal Lets be honest; Harte being dropped for those couple of games seems to reinvigorated him, given him a point to prove and made him play for his place in the team. It was the right decision and we were right to call for it when we did.

Kudos to McDermott for an excellent piece of man management; kudos to Harte for a good attitude and coming back stronger.

This really isn't a thread on which to ridicule people several weeks on. Who knows how Harte would be doing had he kept his place in the team and kept the feeling of security and comfort.

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I agree with this sentiment actually - and on a general point Brian does seem to have a knack of dropping players and getting them to come back stronger/better, ie the dropping actually works, see Pearce, Harte, Howard recently as examples...(does Cummings count?)

To be controversial, maybe Jobi would benefit from it, his output is limited in my opinion, at the moment


Not particularly wanting to bring Snowball back into this debate but I wonder what jobi's stats tell us
Since a guy at work who is a Watford fan told me they were glad to see him go because he didn't score enough or get enough assists I have been watching him more critically. I have to say IMO he more often than not flatters to deceive with a mazy run but the final product is lacking. I think BM is keeping him in on loyalty grounds at the moment. HRK has looked impressive in every game recently and must be close to at start


By my reckoning, league only and not including yesterday...
Assists:
Long - 8
Hunt - 6
Howard - 6
McAnuff - 6
Kebe - 4
Karacan - 4

Involved in build up to goal (not including assists, does include winning pens, but not winning free kicks):
Long - 10
Howard - 8
McAnuff - 8
Kebe - 6
Harte - 6
Karacan - 5
Hunt - 4

Goals:
Long - 20
Harte - 8
Hunt - 8
Kebe - 7
-/-
McAnuff - 3

Once the season's finished I'll post up something a bit more comprehensive. And I'll go over my figures before doing so.
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Re: Drop Harte

by Ian Royal » 10 Apr 2011 19:42

Linden Jones' Tash I have to agree, my view on HRK was "great on the ball, but only actually on the ball for a couple of minutes per appearance, and anonymous the remainder of the time".

His form on this recent run has made me change my mind about whether he can make it (ie. Feel more positive now)

Jobi reminds me of those players who look good, but flatter to deceive in terms of end product - and to IR's other point, should you keep a player in for non-playing reasons?...don't know


I'm not talking non-playing reasons - though they are also a factor. I'm talking about general work-rate and creativity. It's not all about assists and goals.

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Re: Drop Harte

by st george » 10 Apr 2011 20:12

It's not all about assists and goals.


Unless you're talking about Long,eh, Ian :wink:

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Re: Drop Harte

by bcubed » 10 Apr 2011 22:59

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I agree with this sentiment actually - and on a general point Brian does seem to have a knack of dropping players and getting them to come back stronger/better, ie the dropping actually works, see Pearce, Harte, Howard recently as examples...(does Cummings count?)

To be controversial, maybe Jobi would benefit from it, his output is limited in my opinion, at the moment


Not particularly wanting to bring Snowball back into this debate but I wonder what jobi's stats tell us
Since a guy at work who is a Watford fan told me they were glad to see him go because he didn't score enough or get enough assists I have been watching him more critically. I have to say IMO he more often than not flatters to deceive with a mazy run but the final product is lacking. I think BM is keeping him in on loyalty grounds at the moment. HRK has looked impressive in every game recently and must be close to at start


By my reckoning, league only and not including yesterday...
Assists:
Long - 8
Hunt - 6
Howard - 6
McAnuff - 6
Kebe - 4
Karacan - 4

Involved in build up to goal (not including assists, does include winning pens, but not winning free kicks):
Long - 10
Howard - 8
McAnuff - 8
Kebe - 6
Harte - 6
Karacan - 5
Hunt - 4

Goals:
Long - 20
Harte - 8
Hunt - 8
Kebe - 7
-/-
McAnuff - 3

Once the season's finished I'll post up something a bit more comprehensive. And I'll go over my figures before doing so.


Are these your own figures IR or official ones?

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Re: Drop Harte

by Ian Royal » 10 Apr 2011 23:02

My own, I'm sorry to say. But based on watching the OS highlights of every game, several times in most cases. I'm cross referencing Beeb reports to a certain extent as well.

When the season's over I'll go back over it all again to check for data entry etc. Got quite a nice little spreadsheet going. First 12 games might be a bit less reliable for who's involved in the build up to our goals and at fault for those we've conceeded as there are no full games on before Burnley away, so I'll be working on just the highlights.

It'll be quite nice to go back and enjoy all our goals at season end.


St George - :lol:
They're quite important certainly, especially as a lone striker when no one else is really scoring. But not the be all and end all.


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Re: Drop Harte

by Tails » 11 Apr 2011 09:04

If you cant beat him, join him - aye IR?

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Re: Drop Harte

by Snowball » 11 Apr 2011 09:18

Trouble with "own figures" is people can dismiss them. I'm not as I have no reason to think you'd make them up.

And, for example, I have Long with more assists than the OS.

Also look at Pearce's goal early ion the season (Forest?)

Long is on the floor and squeezes the ball out for Pearce to score

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Re: Drop Harte

by Ian Royal » 11 Apr 2011 10:35

Snowball Trouble with "own figures" is people can dismiss them. I'm not as I have no reason to think you'd make them up.

And, for example, I have Long with more assists than the OS.

Also look at Pearce's goal early ion the season (Forest?)

Long is on the floor and squeezes the ball out for Pearce to score


Spot on, that is clearly an assist by Long.

People are welcome to dismiss my figures. I'm not saying they're infallible by any means. I don't have zoom, slow-mo or multiple camera angles. Or full build ups to all goals. But I'll do the best job I can without spending immense amounts of time on it, and I'll be using it.

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Re: Drop Harte

by Snowball » 11 Apr 2011 10:40

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Snowball Trouble with "own figures" is people can dismiss them. I'm not as I have no reason to think you'd make them up.

And, for example, I have Long with more assists than the OS.

Also look at Pearce's goal early ion the season (Forest?)

Long is on the floor and squeezes the ball out for Pearce to score


Spot on, that is clearly an assist by Long.

People are welcome to dismiss my figures. I'm not saying they're infallible by any means. I don't have zoom, slow-mo or multiple camera angles. Or full build ups to all goals. But I'll do the best job I can without spending immense amounts of time on it, and I'll be using it.



Reminiscent of ???? squeezing the ball out for ???? to score in our first ever Prem game v Boro


PS The OS DOESN'T give that Long assist.


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Re: Drop Harte

by Ian Royal » 11 Apr 2011 12:52

That's why I'm better than the OS, baby.

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Re: Drop Harte

by prostak » 11 Apr 2011 23:57

uh-oh! STAT-OFF

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Re: Drop Harte

by Ian Royal » 12 Apr 2011 00:12

prostak uh-oh! STAT-OFF


Stat off yourself. :wink:

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