Reading Players Don't Appeal Enough?

[Snowball]

I came on here expecting to see a big thread already about this.

Sky has a filmed interview with Brian McDermott where he says he was told by FA Officials
that RFC don't appeal decisions enough or vociferously.

The clear intimation was that we didn't get the Torres offside because we didn't go ballistic,
didn't get the Ba handball for the same reason.


Not sure if the FA won't find a way to censure McD for these remarks (they shouldn't, but...)

[ZacNaloen]

fa or referees board?


Just sounds like a feeble excuse for getting decisions wrong. "We'll you didn't say anything"

Well a) they did b) they shouldn't have to.

[10539.4 Miles Away]

Didn't some opposition supporter or some other website claim we were consistently surrounding referees to get decisions our way fairly recently?

Edit: Here it is: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=114548&p=3388727&hilit=surrounding+referee#p3388727

[Ian Royal]

Tells you more about everyone else than us, given Harte and Hunt (sometimes Karacan) are frequently in a referee's face. Or at least used to be.

[Caskeys Lovechild]

WTF F F F!

So let me get this straight - he and the rest of the footballing world are told to respect referees, and not challenge their authority, play to the whistle etc.....or else there will be consequences which include being charged for misconduct, fined, repremanded, etc......

....but if he doesn't go ape sh1t on the touchline because of the complete incompetence of the officials, he won't get any decisions??!?

If that has actually been said to him, then I suggest someones head will roll for it.

[Snowball]

It was at least two officials.


One spoke to Bibbo about the handball



The other (I think) was the fourth official) to McD



It's on Sky, and I suspect this might run (tho they might choose not to escalate it as it should show the FA up)

[The Rouge]

Seen interview. Not FA - prob Premier League or Referees official.

[NattMiles]

If the ref gives it, appealing like lunatics won't change his mind

[Rex]

Isn't this the job of Jobi to approach the referee and politely ask for the decision to be explained.

[ZacNaloen]

Isn't this the job of Jobi to approach the referee and politely ask for the decision to be explained.

Which I distinctly recall happening. Jobs had a fairly long conversation with the ref.

[From Despair To Where?]

According to Neil Warnock, the Mad Stad is a cauldron of partisan gameship where our squad to a man surround the referee to dispute the coin toss.

As someone else said, if we are perceived as not crowding the referee enough, it's the rest of the league that has the problem, not us

[parky]

If the ref gives it, appealing like lunatics won't change his mind

I disagree, a large appeal from a group of players will put doubt in the referees mind and you are more likely to get the decision, in the Ba case I imagine if our players had gone ballistic straight away in the refs face he may have given something he hadn't fully seen.

[Ian Royal]

If the ref gives it, appealing like lunatics won't change his mind

I disagree, a large appeal from a group of players will put doubt in the referees mind and you are more likely to get the decision, in the Ba case I imagine if our players had gone ballistic straight away in the refs face he may have given something he hadn't fully seen.

He won't change his mind once he's given it. So there are two possibilities, neither of which I find very palatable.
1) Appeal instantly so he hasn't had a chance to make a decision. This basically means appealing absolutely everything instantly, genuine or not.
2) Appeal ferociously from the off to intimidate the ref into giving later decisions your way.

[Snowball]

Surely, if you DON'T appeal, it looks like you think it's a good goal?

Nothing wrong with asking the ref to speak to the lino, surely?

[USA_Loyal_Royal]

wow, this is complete bullshit. as tiny reading we are never going to get calls going our way when we face the bigger teams. but now they are contradicting themselves saying we dont appeal enough, implying that will actually change the officials mind. when i saw the highlights of the newcastle match, and i saw the torres offsides live i saw no less than 3 players viciously appealing to the ref. it didnt change their mind at all. after the ref has made their decision no amount of appealing is going to do anything. in some cases it shouldnt come down to the ref's decision and there were things that we could have done in order to not have had the match hang in the balance to a linesman decision who could get it wrong due to human error. were going to have to get used to these shit calls, cause unless were united, city, chelsea, etc were not going to have games handed to us. we need to go out and play like we want to stay in the premier league.

[Ian Royal]

Surely, if you DON'T appeal, it looks like you think it's a good goal?

Nothing wrong with asking the ref to speak to the lino, surely?

It's not cricket. If the Ref sees it, he calls it, if he doesn't see it he doesn't. If an Assistant sees it he tells the Ref, if he doesn't, he doesn't. What does what a player sees or think have anything to do with a Referee's decision?

Appealing implies the player's have some control over what the Ref sees, this absolutely shouldn't be the case. And asking the Ref to talk to his Assistant, well that implies the Assistant isn't doing his job properly, if he's seen something different, he should be telling the Ref about it proactively.

[Stuboo]

I actually thought we were notorious for vociferously appealing last season and surrounding the ref. I've noticed a big change this year - we are not doing it as much.

I personally don't like to see players berating the ref, but I do think it is effective and can help you get decisions (especially if you're Man United). It's something they need to stamp out accross the board.

I agree, it's total BS that officials are saying we should appeal more. I thought they wanted players to respect them more!

[grey_squirrel]

I actually thought we were notorious for vociferously appealing last season and surrounding the ref. I've noticed a big change this year - we are not doing it as much.

According to McD on that SSN interview, we haven't since the Cardiff game last season. The usual "we had a meeting afterwards....." routine.

99 times out of 100 appealing like a bunch of drunken french students won't make any difference to the decision, so I can only surmise McD has made this public in an interview to try and sway future decisions.

[loyalroyal4life]

Best get appealing then

[The Real Sandhurst Royal]

Any statistics to back this up Snowball!!!