
by Royal Lady » 02 Mar 2009 16:33
by Sun Tzu » 02 Mar 2009 16:42
by Royal Lady » 02 Mar 2009 16:48
Well, I can assure you I have seen yellow jackets, including one who is about 80 and certainly doesn't "dash" anywhere, march up to fans and have a go at them.Sun Tzu There's effectively two lots of yellow jackets. Most of them kind of just man safety positions (pitchside, by exit doors etc) and are really there in case of an emergency evacuation or something. They really aren't going to get involved in telling people to sit down etc. there's a minimum number that have to be in the ground for a game to happen but a lot of them are just 'bodies' and might be different every game.
The others are the ones who are a bit more active and dash around a bit - usually the more regular / experienced ones. They might have a word with someone who is standing or over using the industrial language but it's probably only the stand supervisor or deputy who's going to do that. Unless it's persistant or causing problems because it's annoying others there aren't enough stewards to monitor the whole stand and jump on every swear word ! The stand supervisors have enough to do making sure all the safety regs are being observed, dealing with accidents etc
by Big Foot » 02 Mar 2009 16:50
Sun Tzu none of the stewards (AFAIK) and not all of the tangoes are 'professional' bouncers or law enforcers and it's a tough job at times.
by Sun Tzu » 02 Mar 2009 16:54
Big FootSun Tzu none of the stewards (AFAIK) and not all of the tangoes are 'professional' bouncers or law enforcers and it's a tough job at times.
I concur and so does the FLA which is why all stewards have to be SIA passed. Frankly your argument doesn't wash with me here...
by West Stand Man » 02 Mar 2009 16:56
Big FootSun Tzu none of the stewards (AFAIK) and not all of the tangoes are 'professional' bouncers or law enforcers and it's a tough job at times.
I concur and so does the FLA which is why all stewards have to be SIA passed. Frankly your argument doesn't wash with me here...
PS - Bouncer in Walkabout in town is also a steward at Madejski so ner ner ner
by Sun Tzu » 02 Mar 2009 16:58
Royal Lady Well, I can assure you I have seen yellow jackets, including one who is about 80 and certainly doesn't "dash" anywhere, march up to fans and have a go at them.
by Big Foot » 02 Mar 2009 17:00
by West Stand Man » 02 Mar 2009 17:03
Big Foot I was under the impression that all stewards have to adhere to The Green Guide, within which SIA approval is a pre-requisite but I don't mind being proved wrong.
As for recruiting yellow jackets, I now know who to channel my aggression at!!!
by Sun Tzu » 02 Mar 2009 17:08
by STAR Liaison » 02 Mar 2009 17:24
Sun Tzu There's effectively two lots of yellow jackets. Most of them kind of just man safety positions (pitchside, by exit doors etc) and are really there in case of an emergency evacuation or something. They really aren't going to get involved in telling people to sit down etc. there's a minimum number that have to be in the ground for a game to happen but a lot of them are just 'bodies' and might be different every game.
The others are the ones who are a bit more active and dash around a bit - usually the more regular / experienced ones. They might have a word with someone who is standing or over using the industrial language but it's probably only the stand supervisor or deputy who's going to do that. Unless it's persistant or causing problems because it's annoying others there aren't enough stewards to monitor the whole stand and jump on every swear word ! The stand supervisors have enough to do making sure all the safety regs are being observed, dealing with accidents etc
by Big Foot » 02 Mar 2009 19:00
starliaison As there is so much ignorance we have invited both yellow jacket and tango senior staff to our next fans forum on 24 March so there will be a half hour to ask them questions and if there is enough interest maybe arrange a forum solely to discuss stewarding and policing
by Sun Tzu » 02 Mar 2009 19:27
Big Footstarliaison As there is so much ignorance we have invited both yellow jacket and tango senior staff to our next fans forum on 24 March so there will be a half hour to ask them questions and if there is enough interest maybe arrange a forum solely to discuss stewarding and policing
I agree, the stewards need to learn how to do their job IMO.
by West Stand Man » 02 Mar 2009 20:39
Big Footstarliaison As there is so much ignorance we have invited both yellow jacket and tango senior staff to our next fans forum on 24 March so there will be a half hour to ask them questions and if there is enough interest maybe arrange a forum solely to discuss stewarding and policing
I agree, the stewards need to learn how to do their job IMO.
by RoyalBlue » 02 Mar 2009 20:51
Sun TzuRoyalBlue Prejudice it may be, but personally I do feel that some of the stewarding at the Mad Stad is over zealous/bordering on the oppressive.
I guess it can seem like that sometimes, you should try experiencing it from the other side though ! I did work as a steward for a while a couple of seasons ago and can tell you some of the stuff that gets hurled at you is unbelieveable. What can happen is that stweards go from one confrontation to another and if you've just been physically attacked or had a couple of people screaming in your face you may just be a little bit sharp with the next person who has a go at you. none of the stewards (AFAIK) and not all of the tangoes are 'professional' bouncers or law enforcers and it's a tough job at times.RoyalBlue They plead for loud and passionate support but then you get things happening like people being admonished for ‘shouting too loudly’ or being hoiked out and warned for using a swear word (frequently heard on tv) just once!
To be honest I have never heard any stewards being told to warn people for 'shouting a bit' and even swearing isn't something that there is time to make a big thing of. The number of stewards at a game is pretty tiny and there is a huge amount to do that you would never pick up on anyone 'shouting'. You might have to deal with foul language but generally that would be after complaints from other fans or rascist type abuse. It's really rare to take someone out and usually it would be done to diffuse a problem and if the person was warned about 'language' chances are they were doing a lot more than shouting the odd swear word !RoyalBlue Incidentally on Saturday I got the evil eye from one steward for shouting out to the East Stand Linesman that he was ‘crap’. Does that count as a banned swear word at the Mad Stad now?! I was very careful not to use any stronger form of language!
Doubt it. If it was just a steward (ie yellow jacket, looking after a gangway) he's not really there for that sort of thing.
by Royal Rother » 02 Mar 2009 21:17
by Sun Tzu » 03 Mar 2009 08:13
RoyalBlue You may have never heard any stewards being told to warn people for shouting too loud but I can assure you that at least one of them took it upon himself to do so. I took the matter up with STAR at the time that it happened so please don't keep trying to make out that these sort of things never happen
RoyalBlue Also please do not try to make out that they would never take someone out and warn them for just using the odd swear word. Unless you want to directly call me a liar, instead of just implying it, I know from personal experience that they have done so on at least one occasion.
RoyalBlue The consequence of that sort of action, in my personal experience? Those concerned either don't fancy going to the next game and/or their vocal support is considerably subdued for a good time thereafter. My youngest child still gets concerned when I start to shout loudly out of fear that I will 'get into trouble'.
RoyalBlue And finally, the steward 'may not really be there for that sort of thing' but it didn't stop the glare in my direction. Or maybe you would like to suggest I misinterpreted that too and he just fancied me!
RoyalBlue I have always acknowledged that the majority of the stewards at the Mad Stad are OK. It's a shame that you seem incapable of accepting that there might just be some who do adopt an over-zealous/bordering on oppressive approach.
me 'There are one or two who take things a bit too seriously but they get as much grief form the supervisors as they do from the fans !'.
by bishbosh92 » 10 Mar 2009 14:30
by Sun Tzu » 10 Mar 2009 14:36
bishbosh92
oxf*rd OFF HOME AND GET A PROPER JOB!!
by Compo's Hat » 11 Mar 2009 00:18
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