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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by bobbybottler » 03 Jul 2010 20:43

Baines Typically excellent review from zonalmarking

Easy goals

The first goal came early on from a Schweinsteiger free-kick that wasn’t defended properly, and Mueller headed in from close range. Germany dominated the rest of the half, and there was little sign of any tactical changes from Maradona and Bilardo. The one thing they did was to switch di Maria and Rodriguez, but that just gives a chance to use the phrase ‘rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic’ more appropriately than ever. Argentina’s shape was awful, just lacking any cohesion whatsoever, and offered no variation in build-up play.

There’s little point in describing the three second-half goals in detail, because they were all exactly the same. Overload Argentina in their right-back zone, shift a centre-back out of position to open up space in the defence, cross for a player on the edge of the six-yard box to score. Podolski for Klose, Schweinsteiger for Freidrich, Ozil for Klose. It didn’t matter who the German players were, they all had the determination to get into attacking zones, they all had the intelligence to look up and play a simple square ball, they all had the technical quality to play the crosses and finishes to perfection.

Simplicity the key

And in a sense, it was the most beautifully simple display of football you’ll ever see, both in terms of the tactical plan and the performance on the pitch. There was no bold strategic shock from Joachim Loew, there were no 30-yard thunderbolts to remember for years. It was just pass and move, fluidity and good teamwork, and the basic plan to get the ball into wide areas, then play the ball across the box. The similarity of the three second half goals is so strong it borders on the ridiculous – the only surprise is that they all came from the side of the pitch that Lahm wasn’t on.

The final twenty minutes saw Argentina try and fit Messi, Tevez, Higuain, Pastore and Aguero into the same team. There was so little element of ‘tactics’ to it that it barely deserves talking about, it was just ‘throw on your best attackers’. Juan Veron would have been appropriate to play some key passes and let Messi work further up the pitch, but it wouldn’t have altered Germany’s cruise to victory.

That's good, and summarises in a manner that even Andy Townsend would struggle to match.

I'd say though that it underplays Schweinsteiger's jink for Friedrich's goal, which was a joy to watch, and would have had the BBC studio gang spunking onto their post-match digestives if Messi had done it.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by Ark Royal » 03 Jul 2010 23:28

Schweinsteiger's little 'show' of the ball for the third was class, but he only had to fool Higuain, who was out of his depth defending the near post. Schweinsteiger was absolutely brilliant and ran the show from start to finish. Ozil had a quiet game, but the outstanding Khedira, Mueller and Podolski more than made up for it. Mueller's willingness to get into the box is great to watch and it is a shame that he will miss the semi.

As it stands, this is the best German team I have ever seen and would be poorer with Ballack in it.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by LUX » 03 Jul 2010 23:40

Klose is my favourite player to watch in the tournament. A real centre forward.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by Row Z Royal » 04 Jul 2010 00:20

LUX Klose is my favourite player to watch in the tournament. A real centre forward.


He's certainly the easiest to watch - you never even have to turn your head.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by Millsy » 04 Jul 2010 01:27

I've said all along that Argentina are great at attack but just can't defend.

Maradona might be a cheating drug-induced legend but he is clueless at managing and his bizarre team selection and lack of any tactic other than relying on raw attacking talent were HUGELY found out today.

I fail to see why we are even being compared to the Argentines.

The Engand game was 2-2 and it stopped there: what happened after the 2nd goal has no bearing on anything. Argentina were not able to score 2 goals within 5 minutes to come level with Germany. We were. And was it not for Sepp Blatter and a lack of specsavers in Uruguay, we'd have been in the ascendancy and I for one would put money on us winning.

We have the linesman to thank, and an inept manager unable to control his players.

Argentina were just rubbish.


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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by Archie's penalty » 04 Jul 2010 01:29

Germany whipped both the Argies and us. Go figure.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by leon » 04 Jul 2010 01:35

2 world wars, 1 world cup I've said all along that Argentina are great at attack but just can't defend.

Maradona might be a cheating drug-induced legend but he is clueless at managing and his bizarre team selection and lack of any tactic other than relying on raw attacking talent were HUGELY found out today.

I fail to see why we are even being compared to the Argentines.

The Engand game was 2-2 and it stopped there: what happened after the 2nd goal has no bearing on anything. Argentina were not able to score 2 goals within 5 minutes to come level with Germany. We were. And was it not for Sepp Blatter and a lack of specsavers in Uruguay, we'd have been in the ascendancy and I for one would put money on us winning.

We have the linesman to thank, and an inept manager unable to control his players.

Argentina were just rubbish.


sweet jesus. England were utter sh*t for 4 games (15 minutes against World footballing giants Slovenia apart) Argentina at least turned up and entertained for a bit. as for winning it - i think your user name tells us everything we need to know about your grip on reality ( give you a clue - the americans won the first one and the russians the second one)

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by Archie's penalty » 04 Jul 2010 01:44

You tell him man. This board would be a lesser place without your late night rants Leon.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by leon » 04 Jul 2010 01:52

Archie's penalty You tell him man. This board would be a lesser place without your late night rants Leon.


with all due respect - that was a well thought out response to a lot of bollocks


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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by RoyalChicagoFC » 04 Jul 2010 02:06

Yeah Archie's, I've never seen leon serve up anything that could be characterised as a "rant" (and forgive me if I've veered into the realm of pedantry in saying so)

It's usually something quick and at least faintly proverbial --not unlike the contents of a fortune cookie, only delivered with all the subtlety of a swift boot up the @rse

Speaking of which, check out the beatdown of the sanctimonious in the Uruguay v. Ghana thread --another epic-in-a-nutshell there! :lol:

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by Archie's penalty » 04 Jul 2010 02:29

Ok maybe not rants but I enjoy them nonetheless.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by No Fixed Abode » 04 Jul 2010 02:57

can I just say my 14/1 bet on Germany isn't looking too bad. But I've covered myself with Holland and Spain. So it's a win win unless URUAGAY win.

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by From Despair To Where? » 04 Jul 2010 09:14

2 world wars, 1 world cup I've said all along that Argentina are great at attack but just can't defend.

Maradona might be a cheating drug-induced legend but he is clueless at managing and his bizarre team selection and lack of any tactic other than relying on raw attacking talent were HUGELY found out today.

I fail to see why we are even being compared to the Argentines.

The Engand game was 2-2 and it stopped there: what happened after the 2nd goal has no bearing on anything. Argentina were not able to score 2 goals within 5 minutes to come level with Germany. We were. And was it not for Sepp Blatter and a lack of specsavers in Uruguay, we'd have been in the ascendancy and I for one would put money on us winning.

We have the linesman to thank, and an inept manager unable to control his players.

Argentina were just rubbish.


You really do talk such utter shit.

I like the Germans. They have got their domestic league in order, solvent, competative, exciting and a league that places the development of German talent above making money. The national side is reaping the benefits of this policy with a team packed full of young, skillful players with a couple of wiser, older heads who are all proud to play for the shirt. They are a breath of fresh air.

Had Lampard's goal had counted, the Germans would have spent the second half counter attacking and would have torn England to shreads regardless.

So England beat Germany in 66? Who knocked England out in 1970, 1982, 1990 and 2010?


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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by frimmers3 » 04 Jul 2010 09:59

2 world wars, 1 world cup I've said all along that Argentina are great at attack but just can't defend.

Maradona might be a cheating drug-induced legend but he is clueless at managing and his bizarre team selection and lack of any tactic other than relying on raw attacking talent were HUGELY found out today.

I fail to see why we are even being compared to the Argentines.

The Engand game was 2-2 and it stopped there: what happened after the 2nd goal has no bearing on anything. Argentina were not able to score 2 goals within 5 minutes to come level with Germany. We were. And was it not for Sepp Blatter and a lack of specsavers in Uruguay, we'd have been in the ascendancy and I for one would put money on us winning.

We have the linesman to thank, and an inept manager unable to control his players.

Argentina were just rubbish.



if anyone questions as to why "the english" are held in general contempt by the majority of the civilised world,look no further than the quoted post. never have i seen ignorance more eloquently stated.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by Flyingkiwi » 04 Jul 2010 13:01

frimmers3
2 world wars, 1 world cup I've said all along that Argentina are great at attack but just can't defend.

Maradona might be a cheating drug-induced legend but he is clueless at managing and his bizarre team selection and lack of any tactic other than relying on raw attacking talent were HUGELY found out today.

I fail to see why we are even being compared to the Argentines.

The Engand game was 2-2 and it stopped there: what happened after the 2nd goal has no bearing on anything. Argentina were not able to score 2 goals within 5 minutes to come level with Germany. We were. And was it not for Sepp Blatter and a lack of specsavers in Uruguay, we'd have been in the ascendancy and I for one would put money on us winning.

We have the linesman to thank, and an inept manager unable to control his players.

Argentina were just rubbish.



if anyone questions as to why "the english" are held in general contempt by the majority of the civilised world,look no further than the quoted post. never have i seen ignorance more eloquently stated.


Oh! Come ON Frimmers! Argentina's entire game-plan last night was "Give it to Lionel. He'll win it for us!" Maradona is no coach!

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by 1960 » 04 Jul 2010 13:25

leon i think your user name tells us everything we need to know about your grip on reality ( give you a clue - the americans won the first one and the russians the second one)

Ahem. In the first one the Americans turned up in 1917. To say they won it is a little disrespectful to the hundreds of thousands of British, French and Commonwealth people who had already died. And in the second they got there a little earlier, but still over two years late - and there wasn't much evidence of them in North Africa. I suppose the Russians invaded Normandy and fought their way to Berlin.

By all means criticise Little Englander feelings, but please don't oversimplify history just to score points.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by Ian Royal » 04 Jul 2010 13:27

Argentina were found out at the back the second they came across a team with a strong attack. And they couldn't match Germany's control of the ball in midfield, therefore couldn't dominate possession enough to work the bucket loads of chances they'd need to walk through a couple of goals.

Germany look very strong for the next two or three tournaments. Although I'm not sure what in the way of strikers they have coming through to take over from Klose, or centrebacks to take over from Freidrich and Mertersacker.

I hope they go on and win. It's a travesty the cynical cheating Italians have more World Cup titles than them.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by RoyalChicagoFC » 04 Jul 2010 13:43

1960
leon i think your user name tells us everything we need to know about your grip on reality ( give you a clue - the americans won the first one and the russians the second one)

Ahem. In the first one the Americans turned up in 1917. To say they won it is a little disrespectful to the hundreds of thousands of British, French and Commonwealth people who had already died. And in the second they got there a little earlier, but still over two years late - and there wasn't much evidence of them in North Africa.

Is this meant to be taken littorally?


1960 I suppose the Russians invaded Normandy and fought their way to Berlin.

No more than the AmBrits were dying by the tens of thousands in the act of destroying Army Group Centre on the way to clearing all occupied land between Minsk and the Vistula, no


1960 By all means criticise Little Englander feelings, but please don't oversimplify history just to score points.

Amen!

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by Rex » 04 Jul 2010 15:08

A Field Marshall shall never surrender.

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Re: ARGENTINA / GERMANY

by St Pauli » 04 Jul 2010 15:15

1960 I suppose the Russians invaded Normandy and fought their way to Berlin.



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