England Vs Wales

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Re: England Vs Wales

by swansea jack » 07 Sep 2011 07:46

Daily Mail with a quite bizarre report at this stage:
A football fan was beaten to death in a fight outside Wembley before last night’s match between England and Wales.
The victim, a Wales fan named by fellow supporters as Mike Dye, was attacked just 25 minutes before the European Championship qualifier kicked off.
Police were called at 7.25pm to reports of a serious assault just outside the stadium.

Cardiff City supporter Mr Dye, 44, was found in the concourse area with serious head injuries.
Detectives believe he was knocked to the ground, suffering fatal injuries after a fight broke out with other Welsh fans.
Six people were arrested last night, none of them believed to be England fans.
The victim was taken to a central London hospital where doctors battled to save him but he died just before 9pm.


He was understood to have travelled to the match on a coach from Cardiff with other Welsh football fans.
Outside the stadium Menish Huseyin, 29, who works on a stall that sells merchandise on match days, said: ‘It’s really shocking news, most games go off without a hiccup. It’s really disheartening that someone was coming to a football game and being killed. It’s very cowardly.

With all the security measures here – with all the police and all the horses – you wouldn’t think that something like that would happen.’
Mr Dye, who worked for Cardiff Council’s highways department, had commented regularly on Cardiff City FC football websites and there were suggestions that he had links with hooligans.
Posting under the name Ely Trendy, he wrote in 2009 about a series of fights he had been involved during the 1980s at the height of football hooliganism.
He talked about sitting alongside opposing fans and said in 1984 at a Fulham FC match and said he ‘battled to get out in one piece’.

In another post he said in Colchester in 1985 ‘our train mob all on there, midweek game about 20 us, fighting like f***’
Last year he was arrested and appeared in court for football violence-related offences.

It was not known what caused the attack but police do not believe that any England fans were involved.
Police also dismissed any links to rivalry between Cardiff and Swansea clubs.
The victim was named on internet sites last night as Mike Dye, although police have yet to formally identify the man.
A police spokesman said: ‘Police were called at approximately 7.20pm on Tuesday, 6 September, to an area outside Wembley Stadium following reports of an assault.

Officers and London Ambulance Service attended. A man, believed to be aged in his 40s, was taken to a north London hospital suffering from head injuries. He was pronounced dead at 8.50pm.
‘Police believe they know the man’s identity, but await formal identification and confirmation that all next of kin have been informed.
‘A post mortem will be scheduled in due course.
‘Officers from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command are investigating.
‘Six people have been arrested in connection with the investigation. Enquiries are ongoing.’
The London Ambulance Service said he had suffered a heart attack.

A spokesman said: “Staff treated a 44-year-old man who had suffered a cardiac arrest. Extensive efforts were made to resuscitate the patient and he was taken to hospital.”
He was pronounced dead at 8.50pm.
A post-mortem examination will be arranged in due course.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2034520/Football-fan-beaten-death-fight-outside-Wembley-ahead-Euro-Championship-qualifier.html

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Re: England Vs Wales

by bigmike » 07 Sep 2011 08:02

Fighting among themselves.. Seems that Cardiff and Swansea fans really are a bit thick

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Re: England Vs Wales

by T.R.O.L.I. » 07 Sep 2011 08:12

bigmike Fighting among themselves.. Seems that Cardiff and Swansea fans really are a bit thick


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Re: England Vs Wales

by Handsome Man » 07 Sep 2011 08:17

Very sad that somebody dies. RIP

Were there injuries? Otherwise, he didn't need to change the team: Barry, Milner and Lampard were too pedestrian and Walcott really would have scared Wales. Lampard was OK but anonymous. I am sure Scott Parker was mentioned far more during the commentary on Friday. I really wanted Carroll to come on and do something extravagant.

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Re: England Vs Wales

by Schards#2 » 07 Sep 2011 08:34

England will go nowhere with a central midfield pairing of Barry & Lampard.

I don't see any way England are going to go far in this tournament so would be happy to see a new manager gaining experience at this tourny rather than Cappello winding down.

The new manager should jettison the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Terry and Rio and give the new blood some experience at tournament level at a young age.


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Re: England Vs Wales

by LUX » 07 Sep 2011 08:40

sort of agree Schards, but Capello is doing that. I think we would need to go into that tournament with some experienced players (Terry , Cole and Rio. Also not to take a fit Gerrard would be a mistake). The criteria should be "take the best available". I'd not take Lampard, Milner and Barry on that basis.

The teams England have put out over the past two games have included lots of young players.

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Re: England Vs Wales

by cmonurz » 07 Sep 2011 08:46

LUX sort of agree Schards, but Capello is doing that. I think we would need to go into that tournament with some experienced players (Terry , Cole and Rio. Also not to take a fit Gerrard would be a mistake). The criteria should be "take the best available". I'd not take Lampard, Milner and Barry on that basis.

The teams England have put out over the past two games have included lots of young players.


Completely agreed. Capello won't go into the tournament with a first-team similar to that in the last World Cup. Barring injuries I'd personally expect the likes of Walcott, Welbeck, Wilshere, Smalling and Young to all feature, and Hart in goal and that is already a very youthful team.

I think Gerrard still has much to contribute as an attacking midfielder, Rooney is of course an obvious pick. You've got Cahill, maybe Jones, Cleverley, Downing, Johnson who I would also expect to be in the squad. The only place we look light is (again) up front, but by next summer Carroll might have put in a decent season for Liverpool.

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Re: England Vs Wales

by Super_horns » 07 Sep 2011 09:26

Wasn't a great game..Wales probably deserved a draw.

Shame about the fan killed (RIP)

Once again a very small minority decide to drag the game through the gutter as generally it seemed the fans were pretty decent inside Wembley anyway.

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Re: England Vs Wales

by roadrunner » 07 Sep 2011 09:43

Super_horns Wasn't a great game..Wales probably deserved a draw.

Shame about the fan killed (RIP)

Once again a very small minority decide to drag the game through the gutter as generally it seemed the fans were pretty decent inside Wembley anyway.


Radio 1 news this morning said the arrests were all Welsh. Is that right?


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by Seal » 07 Sep 2011 09:43

The difference in the BBC report and the one from the Mail illustrates

a) Just how much the media can manipulate the facts
b) What a horrible rag the Mail really is - the guy has just died and they are already trying to paint him as the leader of the Soul Crew.

Sounds like a little scuffle with fellow fans (which I'm sure we've all seen in our time) with the guy unfortunately suffering a heart attack. He probably got the worst head injury hitting the ground.

Not saying he was totally innocent but doesn't sound like it was a massive tooled up street brawl or anything.

RIP in anycase.

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Re: England Vs Wales

by Vision » 07 Sep 2011 09:45

roadrunner
Super_horns Wasn't a great game..Wales probably deserved a draw.

Shame about the fan killed (RIP)

Once again a very small minority decide to drag the game through the gutter as generally it seemed the fans were pretty decent inside Wembley anyway.


Radio 1 news this morning said the arrests were all Welsh. Is that right?


He suffered head injuries and a heart attack. Rob Earnshaw being questioned apparently.

Yeah I know......

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Re: England Vs Wales

by Super_horns » 07 Sep 2011 09:46

roadrunner
Super_horns Wasn't a great game..Wales probably deserved a draw.

Shame about the fan killed (RIP)

Once again a very small minority decide to drag the game through the gutter as generally it seemed the fans were pretty decent inside Wembley anyway.


Radio 1 news this morning said the arrests were all Welsh. Is that right?


Yes the police have said that.

Does sound like more of a punch-up that tragically ended up with a man falling and suffering a heart attack rather than all out brawl so maybe my comment was a little harsh but still its going to bring up the usual claims from non-football supporters.
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Re: England Vs Wales

by Hoop Blah » 07 Sep 2011 09:52

LUX sort of agree Schards, but Capello is doing that. I think we would need to go into that tournament with some experienced players (Terry , Cole and Rio. Also not to take a fit Gerrard would be a mistake). The criteria should be "take the best available". I'd not take Lampard, Milner and Barry on that basis.

The teams England have put out over the past two games have included lots of young players.


I'm not a big fan of what Capello is doing with the side but I'd be interested to know who you'd have picked in your squad if you were leaving out the likes of Lampard, Barry and Milner.

It was far too pedestrian and it was a poor performance but I think it's more to do with the mentality of playing at home in front of a crowd (and media and country) full all that expectation. It's not easy to breakdown a side who are happy to sit 10 men behind the ball (not that it's much of an excuse).

These games (and I mean the Bulgaria match as well as this one) mean nothing in terms of how we will cope against a decent side in the latter stages of any tournament.


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Re: England Vs Wales

by roadrunner » 07 Sep 2011 09:54

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Super_horns Wasn't a great game..Wales probably deserved a draw.

Shame about the fan killed (RIP)

Once again a very small minority decide to drag the game through the gutter as generally it seemed the fans were pretty decent inside Wembley anyway.


Radio 1 news this morning said the arrests were all Welsh. Is that right?


Yes the police have said that.

Does sound like more of a punch-up that tragically ended up with a man falling and suffering a heart attack rather than all out brawl.


Yeah that's what I heard this morning. Brawl betwen him and his own fans, then staggered into the concourse and had a heart attack.

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Re: England Vs Wales

by Royal Rother » 07 Sep 2011 10:06

Saw about 10 minutes of the game. That was enough to see that we're still crap.

Hope Spacey enjoyed the game though.

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Re: England Vs Wales

by Tredder » 07 Sep 2011 10:14

Lampard was out run, out paced and out thought by Barry last night, that in itself, is a statement of the end for Lamps.

Terry is on borrowed time as well, England have so many younger options to build a decent side, i think this would still include Barry, but we have Wilshire, Young, Johnson, Milner, Cleverley, Downing, Gerrard, Barton :lol: , Parker, with players like Henderson, Barkley and Rodwell to come.

Still keep the work ethic but have the legs and creatively that the younger players bring, they will be naive on occasions, but a lot more refreshing than the standard 4-4-2 that makes our game so draconian.

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Re: England Vs Wales

by TBM » 07 Sep 2011 10:30

Was impressed with Ramsey last night, shame he's not English

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Re: England Vs Wales

by Hoop Blah » 07 Sep 2011 11:37

Right then, after these latest games, and I guess for many, with half an eye on the future, what would be your England squad of 23 be if the Euro's were to start next month?

Assume that all players are fit, available (for me that includes the likes of Foster and Robinson etc who've recently made themselves unavailable) and in reasonable form (that's reflective of their recent form not at their best of 3 or 4 years ago - Messers Lampard, Terry and Johnson, G I'm looking at you!).

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Re: England Vs Wales

by Ferris » 07 Sep 2011 12:08

Hoop Blah Right then, after these latest games, and I guess for many, with half an eye on the future, what would be your England squad of 23 be if the Euro's were to start next month?

Assume that all players are fit, available (for me that includes the likes of Foster and Robinson etc who've recently made themselves unavailable) and in reasonable form (that's reflective of their recent form not at their best of 3 or 4 years ago - Messers Lampard, Terry and Johnson, G I'm looking at you!).


Would probs be something like this.

Hart, Green, Foster

Cole, Terry, Cahill, Jones, Richards, Dawson, Smalling, Baines

Young, Parker, Barry, Wilshire, Walcott, Johnson, Downing, Milner

Bent, Rooney, Carroll, Le Fondre

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Re: England Vs Wales

by Row Z Royal » 07 Sep 2011 12:14

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