Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by roadrunner » 16 Mar 2011 00:34

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roadrunner and nor IMO should Rio Ferdinand.


Why? - what has Rio done wrong? :|


He hasn't be the same player for a good 3 or so seasons, and now well off the pace too. Neither he nor Terry should be first choice in an England shirt, but as mentioned, we're not exactly bustling with quality centre backs.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by soggy biscuit » 16 Mar 2011 08:02

RoyalJames101 Not quite on topic but, i have a feeling Chris Smalling will be a future England captain.


Are commentators contractually obliged to remind us of 'the Chris Smalling story' each time he plays? Getting a bit tiresome now.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by comeonyouroyals » 20 Mar 2011 08:38

Has been reinstated :|

[url]http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12016_6824097,00.html[url]

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Big Foot » 20 Mar 2011 13:03

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roadrunner and nor IMO should Rio Ferdinand.


Why? - what has Rio done wrong? :|


He hasn't be the same player for a good 3 or so seasons, and now well off the pace too. Neither he nor Terry should be first choice in an England shirt, but as mentioned, we're not exactly bustling with quality centre backs.

Seriously? :lol:

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by shadesrwrf » 20 Mar 2011 22:30

No.

Edit: Oops, just realised my response could be deemed plagiarism. (Apologies RWC)


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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by AthleticoSpizz » 20 Mar 2011 22:37

Great

give it to somebody who will be barely around in the next Euros, let alone the next WC


Cappello comes across ever increasingly, as a confused soul

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by roadrunner » 20 Mar 2011 23:45

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roadrunner We're not exactly bustling with quality centre backs.

Seriously? :lol:


Go on then, what world class centre backs do we have that can make England competitive on the international stage?

Rio is washed up, Terry nearly there. You can't seriously be thinking Cahill and Jagielka are going to lead England to success? Who are these quality centre backs that will take us forward?

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by AthleticoSpizz » 21 Mar 2011 00:02

Ideal Mills for England :D
laugh ye not

too early for captaincy, but, Cappello needs to cast his net further than the Prem in preparation for the 2014 WC


and he needs to start doing it now


regardless of his own retirement package post 2012

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Mr Angry » 21 Mar 2011 00:48

The reports today are that Rio is fuming about the way Capello stripped him of the captaincy, with him learning from the press rather than the Manager.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of giving the captaincy back to Terry, not speaking to your CURRENT captain is mental and all too typical of Capello's man-management style; I can quite well see Rio retiring from International football as a result of this.


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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Hoop Blah » 21 Mar 2011 01:00

There are a few young centre halfs coming through that need to kick on a bit to push for a place in the team but I'd say they're all ahead of Mills in terms of potential for a few years time. The likes of Shawcross and Jones are already better players than Mills and they're still younger. You also have the likes of Tompkins and Smalling
making names for themselves already plus the Cahills, Dawsons, Lescotts and Jagielkas out there who are way ahead of Mills.

None are yet looking a quite as good as Terry and Ferdinand did at similar ages admittedly although for me I don't think Smalling or Cahill are far behind.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by roadrunner » 21 Mar 2011 01:06

Mr Angry The reports today are that Rio is fuming about the way Capello stripped him of the captaincy, with him learning from the press rather than the Manager.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of giving the captaincy back to Terry, not speaking to your CURRENT captain is mental and all too typical of Capello's man-management style; I can quite well see Rio retiring from International football as a result of this.


Not a real loss. He isn't half the player he was, he's injury prone, and he isn't going to be around in 2014 which we should be preparing for now.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Y21_Royal » 21 Mar 2011 03:43

Mr Angry The reports today are that Rio is fuming about the way Capello stripped him of the captaincy, with him learning from the press rather than the Manager.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of giving the captaincy back to Terry, not speaking to your CURRENT captain is mental and all too typical of Capello's man-management style; I can quite well see Rio retiring from International football as a result of this.


Exactly right. I find it staggering the level of disrespect Capello has shown Ferdinand. I know he gets Baldini to be his middle man when it comes to talking to players but to allow your captain to learn he's been sacked (which is what this amounts to) via the press is appalling.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by No Fixed Abode » 21 Mar 2011 15:25

JT - Captain. Legend.


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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Hoop Blah » 21 Mar 2011 16:22

I'm really disappointed with the way this has been handled, irrespective of it being the right or wrong thing to do. Capello just seems to be going from day to day without any real long term plan for the development of his squad for 2012.

Does he even care anymore?

Is Terry a good captain? Yes he seems a real leader. Is he the right man to lead this squad? It doesn't sound it from what the journalists think of the players reaction to the whole episode. Has this been a PR and man-mangement cock up? Absolutely, and not for the first time.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by TBM » 21 Mar 2011 16:28

roadrunner Rio is washed up


:lol:

When fit, Rio is probably Englands best centre half

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Mr Angry » 21 Mar 2011 17:10

No Fixed Abode JT - Captain. Legend.


For Chelsea - yes.

For England....................??

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Terminal Boardom » 21 Mar 2011 17:15

I still fail to understand the nonsense surrounding the whole captaincy debate. Apart from leading the teams out of the tunnel and tossing off in the centre circle, what purpose does a football captain have? There need to be 11 leaders on the pitch.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by TBM » 21 Mar 2011 17:26

Terminal Boardom I still fail to understand the nonsense surrounding the whole captaincy debate. Apart from leading the teams out of the tunnel and tossing off in the centre circle, what purpose does a football captain have? There need to be 11 leaders on the pitch.


Surely the captain is a player who can heavily influence a game with their presence and provides a rallying point for the team, if the morale is low. Also, maybe Cappello will look to his captain to help him choose the starting XI or suggest where things are going wrong, from his view on the pitch. There is only so much a manager can do from the sideline so the captain will have to take the managers instructions and relay them across the pitch, making sure everyone is doing their job - if you had 11 players acting as captain then nobody would be in "control" and you'll have 11 individuals.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by ZacNaloen » 21 Mar 2011 17:50

Terminal Boardom I still fail to understand the nonsense surrounding the whole captaincy debate. Apart from leading the teams out of the tunnel and tossing off in the centre circle, what purpose does a football captain have? There need to be 11 leaders on the pitch.



1 leader, 10 believers.



I think ideally you want three "leader" personalities.

One in defense, one in midfield, One up front.

What you don't want though is several people with their own idea of how to do things, so you need someone on the pitch who will be listened to if they need to remind someone what their job is. That man is the team captain.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Hoop Blah » 21 Mar 2011 17:56

Too many cooks spoil the broth....

As much as a captain can't and won't change much tactically during a game he can (as can others) set the tone for a team. A manager can unfluence the way a team behaves through it's captain because he's basically set apart from his team mates.

They're also an important figure head and in many ways act as the shop steward for players. That might be less so for the national team than it is for a club side, but I imagine that when the players are off at a tournament it could be even more important.

For England the captain is important. It's a PR job to a certain extent, but I'm sure it matters to the players and a good captain on the field can be a real driving force.

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