Richard Keys and Andy Gray

[daswonder]

The only reason it's out there is because they said / did it...

Yes they did indeed say/did it but you don't find it quite odd that after the comments regarding Sian Massey, footage of incidents that took places months ago has found it's way into the public domain to add fuel to the fire that was just set alight?

[brendywendy]

I am interested in this notion of them being stitched up. What does that actually mean?

Nobody set them up to say / do what they said. Nobody suggested these were the views they should hold. In fact I believe it is expressly in their (very modern) Contracts of Employment with Sky that such behaviour would result in disciplinary procedures being implemented.

Stitch up? No way. Their sort are out of step with the modern world (of TV Broadcasting and beyond) and, specifically, when employed by huge corporations whose attitudes towards this sort of behaviour are becoming ever more strict.

dark forces man.

it means murdoch-in order to get rid of his arch nemesis andy grey, has used mind controlling drugs to force these two poor presenters to say things they didnt mean, and would never have said otherwise.
while at the same time tricking them into believing that just because a room was full of microphones, and cameras, that didnt mean they were actually on at all.

[Royal Rother]

Daswonder, not really. But I don't think it in any way suggests a stitch up.

As I suggested yesterday it could be that someone had a grudge (perhaps just waiting for the day) but I suspect that's a bit too rich a conspiracy theory to be honest as would be any suggestion you might come up with to fit the way your mind is going I suspect.

There is a whole TV industry built around TV outtakes and cock-ups and it seems likely there are hundreds of thousands of bits and pieces filed somewhere, all suitably referenced by the name of the participants, subject matter etc. for ease of refernce when occasion arises, be it scandal or another Top 100 TV moments shite show....

Oh I dunno, I'm only guessing but they must get all those clips from somewhere...

[Focher]

an england where a man could belittle women whenever he pleased, beat his wife, and still expect his dinner on the table when he got home from work.ahhhhhh what a country that was

you know what i mean Brendy, because we both know that in our lifetime that isnt really the case (generally i mean).

The way this country and others are going we wont be allowed to have a piss in our own homes with fear of getting the sack or getting sued.

[Zammo]

Also - I've now listened to Keys whole interview with talksport

(can be found here http://www.juicefm.com/news?id=25877 if anyone's interested)

He comes across as a nasty, angry and arrogant little man who is simply sorry he got caught, not actually sorry at all. Didn't really have a view on him before this whole sexism thing kicked off but I'm beginning to really dislike him now.

Just listening to it all now. You've got to agree with Keys on the Karen Brady episode. But yes, his tone isn't too apologetic. In fact, my defence of him has slightly lowered.

[Victor Meldrew]

I think most people would be a bit disappointed and a bit angry about losing their job after 20 years and playing a very big part in getting Sky football to where it is today.
With the news of the phone tapping stuff at the News of the World being on the agenda again what a number of creeps there are working in the Murdoch empire who delight in listening in to other people's conversations both at newspaper offices and at SkyTV.
It's not only despicable but altogether a bit pervy and seedy and has just as much no place in this" modern world" that other people keep on about on this forum as sexism and racism-in fact I find sneaking,snitching and informing even more reprehensible than some examples of racism and sexism.

As other posters have said some things may have improved for the better in our society in recent times but there's an awful amount of stuff that is getting worse and that includes cheating in life generally in terms of what people can get away with in both normal life and on the sports fields of our country.

[PEARCEY]

Keys comes across as a man totally in love with himself. Never liked him. Glad he's gone.

[susieroyal]

Obviously not read all that and find the whole thing a bit meh really. The sexism in sport arguement bores me a little bit to be honest. We all know its there, it probably shouldn't be, it probably always will be. I'm from the "oh well, just get on with it" opinion.

Stupid more than anything to get caught saying it. Surely they've worked in TV long enough to know people may still be recording them.

As for sexual harrassment at work, personally I think it depends massively on the relationship between staff.
Yesterday a male teacher heard me say to a student "come and see me after school and we'll go through your coursework". After the kid had gone he said "can I come and see you after school and go through you?". Not harrassment in my book as I'm good friends with him and give as much banter as get. If some other members of staff had said it

[Victor Meldrew]

Obviously not read all that and find the whole thing a bit meh really. The sexism in sport arguement bores me a little bit to be honest. We all know its there, it probably shouldn't be, it probably always will be. I'm from the "oh well, just get on with it" opinion.

Stupid more than anything to get caught saying it. Surely they've worked in TV long enough to know people may still be recording them.

As for sexual harrassment at work, personally I think it depends massively on the relationship between staff.
Yesterday a male teacher heard me say to a student "come and see me after school and we'll go through your coursework". After the kid had gone he said "can I come and see you after school and go through you?". Not harrassment in my book as I'm good friends with him and give as much banter as get. If some other members of staff had said it

Well said Susie-tell that to people like brendy and RR who live in their own dreamworld that they call this modern world and in which they never say anything bordering on risque and look down on the rest of mankind from their lofty perches and fail to see that there is anything wrong in those that tell teacher.

[Zammo]

Also - I've now listened to Keys whole interview with talksport

(can be found here http://www.juicefm.com/news?id=25877 if anyone's interested)

He comes across as a nasty, angry and arrogant little man who is simply sorry he got caught, not actually sorry at all. Didn't really have a view on him before this whole sexism thing kicked off but I'm beginning to really dislike him now.

Just listening to it all now. You've got to agree with Keys on the Karen Brady episode. But yes, his tone isn't too apologetic. In fact, my defence of him has slightly lowered.

Fcuk me....40 minutes long I've gone through all the emotions. It started with an apology, then he got arrogant, and defensive. It ended with me feeling a bit sorry for him. The powers at Sky have done him up like a kipper.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I think it was all a bit "Al Capone" - someone in Sky wanted them out because they're arrogant dinosaurs who think they're bigger than the station, and also massively disliked by everyone there, so the first excuse that could be found was found ... note how quickly the extra off-air clips were discovered.

But if this hadn't got them something else would have done, sooner or later.

[Royal Rother]

Obviously not read all that and find the whole thing a bit meh really. The sexism in sport arguement bores me a little bit to be honest. We all know its there, it probably shouldn't be, it probably always will be. I'm from the "oh well, just get on with it" opinion.

Stupid more than anything to get caught saying it. Surely they've worked in TV long enough to know people may still be recording them.

As for sexual harrassment at work, personally I think it depends massively on the relationship between staff.
Yesterday a male teacher heard me say to a student "come and see me after school and we'll go through your coursework". After the kid had gone he said "can I come and see you after school and go through you?". Not harrassment in my book as I'm good friends with him and give as much banter as get. If some other members of staff had said it

Well said Susie-tell that to people like brendy and RR who live in their own dreamworld that they call this modern world and in which they never say anything bordering on risque and look down on the rest of mankind from their lofty perches and fail to see that there is anything wrong in those that tell teacher.

Good grief. You actually see Susie's post as being in support of your views?

and in pretty much equal measures.

[Red]

Also - I've now listened to Keys whole interview with talksport

(can be found here http://www.juicefm.com/news?id=25877 if anyone's interested)

He comes across as a nasty, angry and arrogant little man who is simply sorry he got caught, not actually sorry at all. Didn't really have a view on him before this whole sexism thing kicked off but I'm beginning to really dislike him now.

Just listening to it all now. You've got to agree with Keys on the Karen Brady episode. But yes, his tone isn't too apologetic. In fact, my defence of him has slightly lowered.

Yes agree with him about Brady - and ordinarily it would be quite amusing - but the fact he's used this interview to lay into her shows what a nasty piece of work he is.

[Victor Meldrew]

Also - I've now listened to Keys whole interview with talksport

(can be found here http://www.juicefm.com/news?id=25877 if anyone's interested)

He comes across as a nasty, angry and arrogant little man who is simply sorry he got caught, not actually sorry at all. Didn't really have a view on him before this whole sexism thing kicked off but I'm beginning to really dislike him now.

Just listening to it all now. You've got to agree with Keys on the Karen Brady episode. But yes, his tone isn't too apologetic. In fact, my defence of him has slightly lowered.

Fcuk me....40 minutes long I've gone through all the emotions. It started with an apology, then he got arrogant, and defensive. It ended with me feeling a bit sorry for him. The powers at Sky have done him up like a kipper.

I heard a bit of it this afternoon and I could understand that he would stand up for himself-not sure how you do that without sounding arrogant especially as he probably feels that he and Gray have not done that much wrong to lose their jobs after 20 years.
Loyal employers tend to respect their loyal employees and help them through a blip because of what they have contributed but Sky TV do not seem to be loyal employers.

[Zammo]

[Royalee]

I can just see ITV sacking those bints from Loose Women for implying men don't do enough around the house. Watching the NTA's now some of the stuff they're saying is far worse than Keys and Gray, yet nobody will accuse them of sexism because it's a one way street.

[Bandini]

Also - I've now listened to Keys whole interview with talksport

(can be found here http://www.juicefm.com/news?id=25877 if anyone's interested)

He comes across as a nasty, angry and arrogant little man who is simply sorry he got caught, not actually sorry at all. Didn't really have a view on him before this whole sexism thing kicked off but I'm beginning to really dislike him now.

Zero self-awareness from Keys

[Victor Meldrew]

Obviously not read all that and find the whole thing a bit meh really. The sexism in sport arguement bores me a little bit to be honest. We all know its there, it probably shouldn't be, it probably always will be. I'm from the "oh well, just get on with it" opinion.

Stupid more than anything to get caught saying it. Surely they've worked in TV long enough to know people may still be recording them.

As for sexual harrassment at work, personally I think it depends massively on the relationship between staff.
Yesterday a male teacher heard me say to a student "come and see me after school and we'll go through your coursework". After the kid had gone he said "can I come and see you after school and go through you?". Not harrassment in my book as I'm good friends with him and give as much banter as get. If some other members of staff had said it

Well said Susie-tell that to people like brendy and RR who live in their own dreamworld that they call this modern world and in which they never say anything bordering on risque and look down on the rest of mankind from their lofty perches and fail to see that there is anything wrong in those that tell teacher.

Good grief. You actually see Susie's post as being in support of your views?

and in pretty much equal measures.

What views are you on about your holiness?
My view is that people who work together very quickly establish a rapport and know the boundaries,it's called getting on with people- try to understand how people get on in relationships and you might get a more pragmatic sense of what goes on in the world rather than what should go on in the world,especially that modern world that you pontificate about.
You also do seem too easily shocked as demonstrated by overuse of the emoticom.

[Bandini]

Why does Keys have a go at Karen Brady for not taking his call?

What a hairy-armed loon.

[Royal With Cheese]

I can just see ITV sacking those bints from Loose Women for implying men don't do enough around the house. Watching the NTA's now some of the stuff they're saying is far worse than Keys and Gray, yet nobody will accuse them of sexism because it's a one way street.

Totally agree Royalee, although I didn't have you down as a good morning tv watcher. I thought that was the preserve of students, mums and nearly dead people.

I mean, really, cash in the attic? Some elderly person living in a huge detatched house with three cars wants a pay for a spa weekend for Jacinta and Buffy and has to sell stuff to fund it? Fark off. You've probably got enough to pay for it a dozen times over in your big fat middle class retired at 50 wallet. The most pointless programme in the history of morning tv.

And don't start me on bargain hunt.