Richard Keys and Andy Gray

[bigmike]

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[Whore Jackie]

He kept saying "I've apologised" but seemed to really struggle throughout the whole 40 minutes to actually do so.

He could have come in sheepish, said I've been an idiot and I'm very sorry. What you got was a 40 minute rant about how this is all so unfair.

So can't agree SLAMMED, can't agree at all.

statememnt prepared by PR man-and one he clearly still didnt really want to be saying.

Really? Sounded like it was completely his own words, from deep inside his own little world. If he'd hired a PR agency, he might still be in work.

[Red]

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[brendywendy]

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just replying to idividual posts maxde since i left big mike.
rude otherwise



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Look at me!

[Royal Rother]

I was at a work do last night and there were a couple of sports journos there who had some interesting insights into this whole affair.

The basic summary was Gray, Key and Jeff Shreves, are a bunch of arrogant c@nts...especially when all three of them were together. They have made a number of enemies over the years at Sky, and the senior guys at Sky had already considered a longer term plan to replace them.

One of the enemies they made was Barney Francis, who became MD of Sky Sports not long ago. He did a great job in cricket and as a result got the top job despite very limited football experience. Gray, Keys & Shreves were very dismissive of him, and apparently blatantly rude to him when he first got the job and wanted to learn more about football. People like that don't forget, so it''s not surprise that they've found support very hard to come by.

It also explains why there appears to have been a systematic release of these clips of Keys & Gray. People have kept these things on file for a long time, and have clearly been given the authority to release them now.

Apparently Francis was the one who brought in Ben Shepherd, so don't be surprised if you see him in Richard Keys chair soon. Also expect to see Gray & Keys pairing up on Talksport, that last bastion of the sexist male...

Easy targets now of course, but FWIW a couple of little bits - Sam Mattaface (?) ex Sky now TalkSport commentator, presumably with no particular axe to grind, said he always found Gray perfectly okay but that he became very aware that he was not particularly popular with his colleagues.

Keys used to live in my village and, although I never met the bloke, he was not well-liked. Up his own-arse would be a fair summary of the comments made about him.

[Red]

ANDY GRAY’S future as a Betfair pundit remained in the balance on Wednesday as the exchange firm continued to review his employment.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/gray-remains-a-betfair-pundit-as-review-goes-on/812289/latest/

Not sure which way this one is going to go really

[cmonurz]

The fcuking media.

I'm indifferent to Gray as an individual, but he has first lost his job of 20 years for some 'laddish' off-air comments, and now he faces losing another job, for the heinous crime of being a slightly mysoginistic 55 year old man.

Richard Keys, resigns from his job.

Then you have the case of Coulson (not pre-judging findings from the more recent evidence found) - not guilty of anything, but has been forced out of two jobs.

The media are in a big way responsible, it's disgusting.

[Seal]

To be fair though "the media" were paying them £1.7m a year.

Live by the sword die by the sword.

I also guarantee you Andy Gray did not get his gig with Betfair on the basis of being mysoginistic. They signed a deal based on a certain image of Andy Gray. Now that image has changed they are completley entitled to review their position.

[Skyline]

ANDY GRAY’S future as a Betfair pundit remained in the balance on Wednesday as the exchange firm continued to review his employment.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/gray-remains-a-betfair-pundit-as-review-goes-on/812289/latest/

Not sure which way this one is going to go really

Wonder if they're running a market on it...

[Royal Rother]

The fcuking media.

I'm indifferent to Gray as an individual, but he has first lost his job of 20 years for some 'laddish' off-air comments, and now he faces losing another job, for the heinous crime of being a slightly mysoginistic 55 year old man.

Richard Keys, resigns from his job.

Then you have the case of Coulson (not pre-judging findings from the more recent evidence found) - not guilty of anything, but has been forced out of two jobs.

The media are in a big way responsible, it's disgusting.

Accept your point but I do think that if you are in a very privileged position, that has given a superb standard of living through salary and endorsements, then if you step over a line (that in Sky's case I believe is extremely well-defined) then you only have yourself to blame.

(edit: Ah, which is effectively what Seal just posted...)

[BR2]

The fcuking media.

I'm indifferent to Gray as an individual, but he has first lost his job of 20 years for some 'laddish' off-air comments, and now he faces losing another job, for the heinous crime of being a slightly mysoginistic 55 year old man.

Richard Keys, resigns from his job.

Then you have the case of Coulson (not pre-judging findings from the more recent evidence found) - not guilty of anything, but has been forced out of two jobs.

The media are in a big way responsible, it's disgusting.

Accept your point but I do think that if you are in a very privileged position, that has given a superb standard of living through salary and endorsements, then if you step over a line (that in Sky's case I believe is extremely well-defined) then you only have yourself to blame.

(edit: Ah, which is effectively what Seal just posted...)

So the more you earn or the more priviledged you are the more careful you have to be over what you say?
Tell that to Prince Phillip,one of the most priviledged people in this country.
Come the revolution people like him will be treated in the same way as those commoners,Keys and Gray.

[Gloria Gooner]

I can just see ITV sacking those bints from Loose Women for implying men don't do enough around the house. Watching the NTA's now some of the stuff they're saying is far worse than Keys and Gray, yet nobody will accuse them of sexism because it's a one way street.

Totally agree Royalee, although I didn't have you down as a good morning tv watcher. I thought that was the preserve of students, mums and nearly dead people.

It's not comparing apples with apples though. If you actually watched Loose Women regularly, you'd see that they also recognise and discuss their own weaknesses and those of other women. If they sat watching the latest male celebrity who is about to come on, criticising their acting ability, how they were as a musician or how they'd 'really like to hit that', you might have a point. And can we also knock this 'off the cuff, laddish' crap on the head? They were unpleasant, they were in their workplace, they were stupid enough not to realise they were being recorded, and they deserved what they got.

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So the more you earn or the more priviledged you are the more careful you have to be over what you say?
Tell that to Prince Phillip,one of the most priviledged people in this country.
Come the revolution people like him will be treated in the same way as those commoners,Keys and Gray.

As a rule of thumb, yes.

Not sure bringing a debate about the rights and wrongs of the monarchy into this will help.

[bigmike]

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Oh I didnt realise that your the spelling police

[Skyline]

Good riddance to the odious little creep.

Actually, I think you'll find that Victor is still around, more's the pity.

[BR2]

What views are you on about your holiness?
My view is that people who work together very quickly establish a rapport and know the boundaries,it's called getting on with people- try to understand how people get on in relationships and you might get a more pragmatic sense of what goes on in the world rather than what should go on in the world,especially that modern world that you pontificate about.
You also do seem too easily shocked as demonstrated by overuse of the emoticom.

Stop acting like a buffoon.

What actually went on in the world last weekend was that 2 sexist idiots called into question a young lady's ability to do a job that is normally done by men. They got caught. Loyalty? Do me a favour. Their employers cannot afford to have their image tarnished by continuing to employ people with such views when they are known to the world at large. And nor should they. The fact they would have undoubtedly known of their views and attitudes previously and chosen not to do anything about it is shame on them of course.

As for workplace relationships - almost entirely irrelevant as we don't know how Jackie Chapman (?) viewed Andy Gray's pathetic little gag but it is quite likely she would have been disgusted by it. For a 55 year old bloke of pretty considerable power to pull that one on a 25 year old woman somewhere near the bottom of her profession is rank. Whether she truly thought nothing of it, can you not see that that, when added to his views on women officials in football paint a picture of an out of date, unacceptably ignorant bloke totally unsuited to being a figurehead of an organisation like SkySports?

No, I very much doubt you can, you old dinosaur.

Time for me to move on.

Obviously I take great offence by the ageist comment of "old".
Although technically correct (as could be the case of referring to a girl as being a bit of a looker)I really do not take offence and will not be demanding of Graham that you be removed from this board immediately.
I will also take note if anybody makes any ophthalmicist comments to me such as "open your eyes" as I have a condition where I am going blind in my left eye.
Fortunately I am not black,brown,ginger,bald,Roman Catholic,Jewish,Muslim,otherwise disabled or an obvious sex object so my other "ists" are rather limited.

[Red]

jeez 4 posts 1 after the other.... We know your here we can see you no need to do the look at me dance

you're

Oh I didnt realise that your the spelling police

Same mistake again, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this was done on purpose this time.

Not really spelling so much as primary school level grammar.

[BR2]

Good riddance to the odious little creep.

Actually, I think you'll find that Victor is still around, more's the pity.

I would have preferred your post to have had a or a
Never mind,I've got your number and I am not little.

[Hoop Blah]

Although I have no sympathy for these two (and this is probably more an AE question than General Football) at what point do your own thoughts and views become illegal as such.

I always thought that we basically had freedom of speach and thought as long as those views weren't used to prejudice another person opportunities or safety etc. As out dated and perhaps reprehensible their views are have Keys and Gray done anything illegal in moaning that a woman won't know the offside law (they obviously KNOW that she does so it isn't a serious comment even if they weren't rolling around in fits as they made the comments) or making embarssaing and suggestive comments about Redknapp and some random woman?

[Royal Rother]

Has anyone suggested their comments were illegal, or is it just an open question?