Adkins Sacked - So available

[mambo3]

Great Motivator

[linkenholtroyal]

no just no end of thread i would rather eat my own sh1t

[Silver Fox]

If anyone doubted how simple some of our fans are (at least on here)

[AthleticoSpizz]

Arguably the better of his successors.....but I get the joke, Mambo

[genome]

I think I would stop being interested in football altogether if this happened

[John Smith]

And some of you (who took it seriously) said my Micky Adams thread was nonsense

[facaldaqui]

Adkins's failure at Sheffield confirms what we thought of him here. But it raises the question of how he managed to do so well at Saints. I think it might show that often the most important thing is the state of the club rather than the talent of the manager. Southampton have done well under a succession of managers, from Pardew through Adkins and Pochettino to Koeman. It reminds me of Swansea, who have done remarkably under a succession of diverse managers, including Rodgers, who failed for us.

What has happened at Reading under Adkins, Clarke, & now Brian suggests that we are not a club that can just parachute in a manager--however good their record--and expect to improve. So long as things are muddled at the top here, no magic wand can be waved at manager level. When the top end of a club is right, maybe any half-decent manager can succeed. Look at the contrast between Leeds and Watford recently--the managers, whoever they are, succeed or fail in those clubs for reasons beyond their individual talents.

[floyd__streete]

Adkins in summary then:

Took over Scunthorpe United when they were top of the league. Took them up via the play offs.
Took over Southampton with a Premier League budget in League 1.
Bombed at Reading.
Bombed at Sheff U.

Of course, around this time two years ago some of us were telling you that he wasn't all that good but many of you wouldn't listen

[AthleticoSpizz]

Highest league finish in the past three seasons mind.

[handbags_harris]

Hard to argue for Adkins getting the sack here, but his sacking by Sheffield United raises an interesting parallel to the situation we have here and should serve as a warning to anybody associated with this club as far as I'm concerned.

It is 9 years Since Neil Warnock left Sheffield Utd after they were relegated from the Premier League, and in that time they have appointed 8 different managers. Over that time they have gone from a top end Championship club, gradually sliding down to a middle of the road League 1 club struggling to gain promotion despite the odds being stacked in their favour. The longest a manager has been in charge of them since Warnock is Kevin Blackwell, who lasted approximately 2.25 seasons but who oversaw the initiation of their demise.

Bryan Robson - May 07 - Feb 08 - 0.75 seasons
Kevin Blackwell - Feb 08 - Aug 10 - 2.25 seasons
Gary Speed - Aug 10 - Dec 10 - 0.5 seasons
Micky Adams - Dec 10 - May 11 - 0.5 seasons
Danny Wilson - May 11 - Apr 13 - 2 seasons
David Weir - Jun 13 - Oct 13 - 0.25 seasons
Nigel Clough - Oct 13 - May 15 - 1.75 seasons
Nigel Adkins - Jun 15 - May 16 - 1 season

There is a reason why Sheff Utd are languishing where they are, and that is a simple lack of continuity and patience. A couple of those managerial appointments are bizarre and doomed to failure, Bryan Robson, Micky Adams and arguably David Weir didn't have the acumen to last a regular Championship/League 1 season, but most of those managers have some success under their belts and I have no doubt that had they been given the time to build a side over around 3 seasons they would have realised their goal of promotion well before May 2017. Instead they'll be going into the 10th season since relegation with a 9th new permanent manager, which is far from a ringing endorsement of their hierarchy.

[Top Flight]

Adkins's failure at Sheffield confirms what we thought of him here. But it raises the question of how he managed to do so well at Saints. I think it might show that often the most important thing is the state of the club rather than the talent of the manager. Southampton have done well under a succession of managers, from Pardew through Adkins and Pochettino to Koeman. It reminds me of Swansea, who have done remarkably under a succession of diverse managers, including Rodgers, who failed for us.

What has happened at Reading under Adkins, Clarke, & now Brian suggests that we are not a club that can just parachute in a manager--however good their record--and expect to improve. So long as things are muddled at the top here, no magic wand can be waved at manager level. When the top end of a club is right, maybe any half-decent manager can succeed. Look at the contrast between Leeds and Watford recently--the managers, whoever they are--succeed or fail in those clubs for reasons beyond their individual talents.

Brilliant post.

Very good angle.

[Top Flight]

Hard to argue for Adkins getting the sack here, but his sacking by Sheffield United raises an interesting parallel to the situation we have here and should serve as a warning to anybody associated with this club as far as I'm concerned.

It is 9 years Since Neil Warnock left Sheffield Utd after they were relegated from the Premier League, and in that time they have appointed 8 different managers. Over that time they have gone from a top end Championship club, gradually sliding down to a middle of the road League 1 club struggling to gain promotion despite the odds being stacked in their favour. The longest a manager has been in charge of them since Warnock is Kevin Blackwell, who lasted approximately 2.25 seasons but who oversaw the initiation of their demise.

Bryan Robson - May 07 - Feb 08 - 0.75 seasons
Kevin Blackwell - Feb 08 - Aug 10 - 2.25 seasons
Gary Speed - Aug 10 - Dec 10 - 0.5 seasons
Micky Adams - Dec 10 - May 11 - 0.5 seasons
Danny Wilson - May 11 - Apr 13 - 2 seasons
David Weir - Jun 13 - Oct 13 - 0.25 seasons
Nigel Clough - Oct 13 - May 15 - 1.75 seasons
Nigel Adkins - Jun 15 - May 16 - 1 season

There is a reason why Sheff Utd are languishing where they are, and that is a simple lack of continuity and patience. A couple of those managerial appointments are bizarre and doomed to failure, Bryan Robson, Micky Adams and arguably David Weir didn't have the acumen to last a regular Championship/League 1 season, but most of those managers have some success under their belts and I have no doubt that had they been given the time to build a side over around 3 seasons they would have realised their goal of promotion well before May 2017. Instead they'll be going into the 10th season since relegation with a 9th new permanent manager, which is far from a ringing endorsement of their hierarchy.

Another superb post....

And now this thread is turning into another McDermott back him or sack him thread.

[RG7Fan]

Highest league finish in the past three seasons mind.

Missed the play offs by 1 point to Brighton, which can be attributed to Gunter's own goal in the away match ...

[Longhorn1970]

If anyone doubted how simple some of our fans are (at least on here)

+1

[Top Flight]

Longhorn, you are probably the simplest fan that I have come across.

[Glory Boy]

If anyone doubted how simple some of our fans are (at least on here)

+1

1 + 1 = 3

[John Smith]

Adkins's failure at Sheffield confirms what we thought of him here. But it raises the question of how he managed to do so well at Saints. I think it might show that often the most important thing is the state of the club rather than the talent of the manager. Southampton have done well under a succession of managers, from Pardew through Adkins and Pochettino to Koeman. It reminds me of Swansea, who have done remarkably under a succession of diverse managers, including Rodgers, who failed for us.

What has happened at Reading under Adkins, Clarke, & now Brian suggests that we are not a club that can just parachute in a manager--however good their record--and expect to improve. So long as things are muddled at the top here, no magic wand can be waved at manager level. When the top end of a club is right, maybe any half-decent manager can succeed. Look at the contrast between Leeds and Watford recently--the managers, whoever they are--succeed or fail in those clubs for reasons beyond their individual talents.

When I first started reading this I thought it would rambling waffle but it is actually a very good post.

What I will say, though, is Adkins was unlucky in the season we just missed out on the playoffs. We had a good squad but injuries and bad luck cost us in my opinion. And that's from a someone who wasn't a fan of him.

[Longhorn1970]

Longhorn, you are probably the simplest fan that I have come across.

Very good, now crawl back under your stone ..

[Armadillo Roadkill]

Adkins - a decent man and a good manager. But two difficult jobs in a row will have seriously dented his professional reputation.

The Blades are having a shocker but will almost certainly recover. I hope Adkins does too.

[Forbury Lion]

Adkins's failure at Sheffield confirms what we thought of him here. But it raises the question of how he managed to do so well at Saints. I think it might show that often the most important thing is the state of the club rather than the talent of the manager. Southampton have done well under a succession of managers, from Pardew through Adkins and Pochettino to Koeman. It reminds me of Swansea, who have done remarkably under a succession of diverse managers, including Rodgers, who failed for us.

Pardew was the catalyst at Reading, looks like he was the catalyst at Southampton..... Maybe he's the one man who can go into a club and turn things around?