It is one man's fault

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Re: It is one man's fault

by Southbank Old Boy » 04 May 2008 17:00

Royal Lady As the chairman and owner of this club, JM should carry the can. I know managers don't like Chairmen to interfere, but maybe Mr Mad should have INSISTED that Copps buy a couple of decent players in January, if there was all this money available. He didn't, because he didn't give Copps enough money to bring in the players we needed. He's very good at saying what he thinks us fans want to hear. I'd like to hear his comments after next week's game, whether we stay up or not.


You aren't seriously suggesting that it's JM's fault because he didn't force his manager to buy some players, that really is one of the daftest things I've read on here!

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Re: It is one man's fault

by IMAMATEOFJOVSKY » 04 May 2008 17:03

There's no real money to be made from owning a football club until you get to the dizzy heights - any chairman needs to accept that - unfortunately ours doesnt

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Re: It is one man's fault

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Re: It is one man's fault

by Once were Biscuitmen » 04 May 2008 17:08

IMAMATEOFJOVSKY There's no real money to be made from owning a football club until you get to the dizzy heights - any chairman needs to accept that - unfortunately ours doesnt


So knowing you only make money if you are in the 'dizzying heights' you should invest more money in the certain knowledge you will get no return?

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Re: It is one man's fault

by rg6royal » 04 May 2008 17:09

Coppell will leave at the end of the season even if we stay up under his own consent. He has done a great job here and there isn't much more i feel we can achieve with him.


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Re: It is one man's fault

by Royal Lady » 04 May 2008 17:28

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Royal Lady As the chairman and owner of this club, JM should carry the can. I know managers don't like Chairmen to interfere, but maybe Mr Mad should have INSISTED that Copps buy a couple of decent players in January, if there was all this money available. He didn't, because he didn't give Copps enough money to bring in the players we needed. He's very good at saying what he thinks us fans want to hear. I'd like to hear his comments after next week's game, whether we stay up or not.


You aren't seriously suggesting that it's JM's fault because he didn't force his manager to buy some players, that really is one of the daftest things I've read on here!
I'm saying if he truly cared about maintaining our position in the Prem and seeing Coppell not looking to buy players to keep us here, he could have intervened, couldn't he?

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Re: It is one man's fault

by Southbank Old Boy » 04 May 2008 17:32

I guess he could've encouraged his manager to spend the funds he'd made available but I don't think there is ever any good from a chairman/owner interefering with the playing side of things at a football club.

I don't think Coppell would've stood for it either really and he's said all along that he'll take responsibilty for his actions so it's not like wasn't thinking about making signings.

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Re: It is one man's fault

by Platypuss » 04 May 2008 17:50

rhroyal Sunderland had a decent first season, made changes and set what was then the record for the lowest amount of points.


A bizarre attempt to try and re-write history to fit your argument - in that year (05/06) they came straight back down after winning the championship the year before.

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Re: It is one man's fault

by Far Canal » 04 May 2008 18:35

I think that this article from sportinglife.com contains the answers..........

COPPELL READY FOR ROYALS CRUNCH

By Mike McGrath, PA Sport

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/pr ... remiership

Steve Coppell will accept the blame if Reading are relegated from the Barclays Premier League next week - but a summer transfer kitty awaits if they stay up.
Coppell's decision not to spend at the end of last season or in January has backfired, leaving them needing a win at Derby and crucially for Fulham to drop points at Portsmouth on the final day of the campaign.
"It's arguably the biggest game in the club's history," said the Reading boss. "We enjoy playing in the Premier League and we want to stay here."

Chairman John Madejski, currently on crutches nursing a broken ankle, will then allow his manager to learn from his mistakes in the last transfer windows.
"We have already developed plans to make significant investment in the playing squad during the summer," Madejski said.
"But at the moment the short-term imperative of retaining our position in the top flight is our only focus."

After finishing eighth in their rookie campaign in the top flight, Coppell did not want to upset the balance of his squad by making radical changes.

"Since the chairman has come here he's built a club that's self-financing and that, ultimately, may be our downfall because I took the calculated risk not to spend as much money last summer and in January," Coppell said. "If it doesn't work it's my fault.

"Always, the manager always gets the blame. When the team win it's because the players are great. When the team loses, my shoulders are broad enough, I'll take anything that's coming."

Even though Coppell may not have had as much to spend as other clubs, there has still been a lack of inspiration that has led to six games without a goal. It means victory at Pride Park is not a formality.

"Other teams were spending £20-30million and we certainly didn't have that much," Coppell said.

"I made the decision that I didn't want to reward two years of success by telling half the team 'thanks a lot, but you're finished now'.

"We have a certain mentality. We never bought promotion and bringing people in from different countries, it's hard to integrate them to our mentality.

"If you are just buying the cream at the top of the tree, it doesn't matter you can bring anyone in. We can't afford that - when foreign players look at which club in England they want to go to, Reading is fairly low down on the register."

Coppell admits the only way to stay out of trouble is investment, even taking into account Reading's first season in the Premier League.
"That was the dream last year, we took advantage of teams who cocked up," he said. "We had momentum from the previous year, but you beat the system with money.
"It's the only way you can beat the system. I spoke with Sam Allardyce in the summer and I asked him what's the secret to what he did at Bolton and he said 'spend, spend, spend'. "Unfortunately, that probably is the secret."

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"Since the chairman has come here he's built a club that's self-financing and that, ultimately, may be our downfall because I took the calculated risk not to spend as much money last summer and in January," Coppell said."

Reading between the lines here, I think that SC has attempted to do his job within the confines of this "self-financing" business environment, but how much money was really on offer to him and how much got diverted off to finance the hotel?
I can sense JM saying "we have funds available, should you need any Steve," rather than "here is your transfer budget, Steve, do with it what you will."

Add to this the impressive track record of the squad, Coppell's human instinct's which lead him to treat his personnel fairly, foreign imported players that have not fitted into the squad and what have you got? Relegation (probably).


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Re: It is one man's fault

by RoyalBlue » 04 May 2008 18:37

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IMAMATEOFJOVSKY There's no real money to be made from owning a football club until you get to the dizzy heights - any chairman needs to accept that - unfortunately ours doesnt


So knowing you only make money if you are in the 'dizzying heights' you should invest more money in the certain knowledge you will get no return?


Save for everyone bowing down to praise the great Madejski! What price that for someone who seems to enjoy fame?

And Far Canal, I suspect you are absolutely spot on with your assessment of the situation, which ties in neatly with some of the things one of our past managers has said about JM's approach to transfer budgets.

JM has been quoted as saying (IIRC) ' The time will come when serious money, and I mean really serious money, needs to be spent to keep Reading in the Premier League. I just hope that I am not around when that time comes.' (The Director magazine).

What a shame that the time he referred to appears to have come and passed without that really serious money being spent!

Once were Biscuitmen The idea that JM should sell up is fine if you know some kindly Billionaire who is prepared to subsidize a loss making business so we can all enjoy Premiership football until our entry to the European Elite league is finalized. However not many people get to be Billionaires and be that stupid.


QPR managed to attract not one but two billionaires prepared to just do that!

Once you've got a billion a couple of hundred million isn't so much of a big deal!

And even if there aren't many that are stupid, I'm sure there might be few who are vain and would welcome the fame and plaudits that supporting a successful club brings.

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Re: It is one man's fault

by IMAMATEOFJOVSKY » 04 May 2008 19:00

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IMAMATEOFJOVSKY There's no real money to be made from owning a football club until you get to the dizzy heights - any chairman needs to accept that - unfortunately ours doesnt


So knowing you only make money if you are in the 'dizzying heights' you should invest more money in the certain knowledge you will get no return?


So premiership chairmen invest and expect to make a profit?? They enjoy the fact that they own a premiership club , not the fact that they have to make money from it!

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Re: It is one man's fault

by soggy biscuit » 04 May 2008 19:18

There is some true comedy gold on the team forum these days.

LOL @ 'Madejski out'

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Re: It is one man's fault

by Far Canal » 04 May 2008 20:00

soggy biscuit LOL @ 'Madejski out'


Who said that?


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Re: It is one man's fault

by Alan Partridge » 04 May 2008 20:07

Madejski 'significant investment' ALOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I think we should use the same match report as against coventry............

Coppell' I didn't want to tell half of them thanks but we're replacing you' ITS CALLED EVOLUTION STEVE!!! In football that's life, why don't we just get Osborn, Hislop, Lovell and Quinn back they were great for us.

Couple of those quotes are truly staggering, how many more times is the 'significant investment' line going to be wheeled out? As soon as the club needs the ST money, they can cash it and then laugh in our face all over again come the start of the season.

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Re: It is one man's fault

by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 04 May 2008 20:30

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IMAMATEOFJOVSKY There's no real money to be made from owning a football club until you get to the dizzy heights - any chairman needs to accept that - unfortunately ours doesnt


So knowing you only make money if you are in the 'dizzying heights' you should invest more money in the certain knowledge you will get no return?


Save for everyone bowing down to praise the great Madejski! What price that for someone who seems to enjoy fame?

And Far Canal, I suspect you are absolutely spot on with your assessment of the situation, which ties in neatly with some of the things one of our past managers has said about JM's approach to transfer budgets.

JM has been quoted as saying (IIRC) ' The time will come when serious money, and I mean really serious money, needs to be spent to keep Reading in the Premier League. I just hope that I am not around when that time comes.' (The Director magazine).

What a shame that the time he referred to appears to have come and passed without that really serious money being spent!

Once were Biscuitmen The idea that JM should sell up is fine if you know some kindly Billionaire who is prepared to subsidize a loss making business so we can all enjoy Premiership football until our entry to the European Elite league is finalized. However not many people get to be Billionaires and be that stupid.


QPR managed to attract not one but two billionaires prepared to just do that!

Once you've got a billion a couple of hundred million isn't so much of a big deal!

And even if there aren't many that are stupid, I'm sure there might be few who are vain and would welcome the fame and plaudits that supporting a successful club brings.

Did Madejski reverse his Bentley over your cat or something?

QPR attracted investment because they are a London club, and as such have a huge potential (as it happens, given their catchment area, I'm surprised nobody has come in for Palace as they would have real potential if successful).

QPR's takeover had absolutely nothing to to with their previous chairman doing all the things you accuse Madejski of not doing. If QPR are the model to follow to attract major investment, then you should be demanding that Madejski sells off our players and takes us back into the lower divisions for a spell, then build a struggling championship side, ripe for takeover by billionaires when we are in the relegation zone.

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Re: It is one man's fault

by rg6royal » 04 May 2008 20:37

soggy biscuit There is some true comedy gold on the team forum these days.

LOL @ 'Madejski out'


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Re: It is one man's fault

by Far Canal » 04 May 2008 22:35

Rev Algenon Stickleback H QPR attracted investment because they are a London club, and as such have a huge potential (as it happens, given their catchment area, I'm surprised nobody has come in for Palace as they would have real potential if successful).


I don't think QPR has huge potential.
The Loftus Road ground has a capacity of only 19,100.
The pitch is 8 yards shorter than the Madejski.
The ground is surrounded on four sides by residential properties, so there is no room for expansion of the ground or the addition of a car park of any size; this is a nice revenue earner at the Madejski.
They compete for support in West London with Chelsea, Fulham and Brentford.
It's location is not good for travelling to, unlike the Madejski which is right next to the M4.
I think that Reading has far more potential than QPR.

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Re: It is one man's fault

by papereyes » 05 May 2008 09:35

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rhroyal Sunderland had a decent first season, made changes and set what was then the record for the lowest amount of points.


A bizarre attempt to try and re-write history to fit your argument - in that year (05/06) they came straight back down after winning the championship the year before.


They've had four spells in the Prem. The first one 1996/97 they went up as Champions, finished third bottom and went down. The second, of Quinn and Phillips fame, went up with 105 points, finished 7th in their first and second seasons before 4th bottom then bottom with 19. The side went down, won the Championship two seasons later then went up with very little money spent on it and that side set the new record for lowest number of points. And now this one.

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Re: It is one man's fault

by readingbedding » 05 May 2008 09:35

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Royal Lady As the chairman and owner of this club, JM should carry the can. I know managers don't like Chairmen to interfere, but maybe Mr Mad should have INSISTED that Copps buy a couple of decent players in January, if there was all this money available. He didn't, because he didn't give Copps enough money to bring in the players we needed. He's very good at saying what he thinks us fans want to hear. I'd like to hear his comments after next week's game, whether we stay up or not.


You aren't seriously suggesting that it's JM's fault because he didn't force his manager to buy some players, that really is one of the daftest things I've read on here!


Yeah, completely ridiculous assumption.
Perhaps Coppell may look back and regret not strengthening the squad.
But after what he's done and how good a manager he is, lots of Reading fans are giving him some slack.

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Re: It is one man's fault

by IMAMATEOFJOVSKY » 05 May 2008 09:43

Reading boss Steve Coppell admits he "can't beat the system".
Coppell says the only way to stay out of trouble is investment, even taking into account Reading's first season in the Premier League.

"That was the dream last year, we took advantage of teams who cocked up," he said. "We had momentum from the previous year, but you beat the system with money.

"It's the only way you can beat the system. I spoke with Sam Allardyce in the summer and I asked him what's the secret to what he did at Bolton and he said 'spend, spend, spend'.

"Unfortunately, that probably is the secret."

Now whos to blame - Coppell for not spending or Bugs and Syrup wearer for not providing??

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