Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

Do you want girls being ball boys?

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by RoyalBlue » 12 Feb 2009 13:34

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Aly Murty Blatant fishing trip, but I do think there should be some kind of assessment of their abilities before they are employed (no idea if this is already done, but it isn't evident). The ball boy in the G7 area of the West Stand yesterday was utterly useless, could barely throw the ball 2m and due to his size had to waddle before throwing the ball any further. On average, perhaps boys are better,


And on what evidence do you base that suggestion?!

Since the task involves catching or picking up a ball and then throwing it back to the hands of a player, it might be just as sensible to suggest that, on average, girls might be better than boys, since the skills required are more akin to netball than football and, of course, more girls than boys play netball.


As a girl who has played many sports in my life, I am not saying that girls can't be as good as boys - I reckon I can throw and catch a cricket or football far better than most men. However, I also had many sports lessons with girls and know just how bad the majority of them are at these simple skills. The girls employed by Reading should be better than your average female, but if you took a random selection of both genders, the men would generally be better. Yes, girls do play netball, but the vast majority of netball players would only have a passing interest in football at best and therefore, are unlikely to be at football matches. There is also the fact boys are more physically mature at a younger age and so are stronger and more able to throw the ball.


And Emily Pankhurst did it all for this?!! :shock:

As both my kids (a boy and girl) are members of the goalkeeping union, I have a simple and highly effective solution. All ball boys/girls should have to be proven goalkeepers - non of these useless and generally less intelligent outfield players!

Argue with this and you're likely to get a visit from Marcus and his military hardware!! :wink:

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by SLAMMED » 12 Feb 2009 19:35

SEXIST, BUT TRUE

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by Aly Murty » 12 Feb 2009 19:39

RoyalBlue, was that really the best response you could give? Perhaps I'm not standing up for females as much as most, but I'm a realist and know just how bad the majority are at throwing and catching. As I also said, there are a good number who can do these skills and these are the ones who should be employed in such a role. I'm all for inclusion and that malarky, but if they make the rest of us look like idiots then.... :wink:

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by SLAMMED » 12 Feb 2009 20:13

Goalkeeping Union. ALOL

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by 1960 » 16 Feb 2009 16:42

RoyalBlue As both my kids (a boy and girl) are members of the goalkeeping union, I have a simple and highly effective solution. All ball boys/girls should have to be proven goalkeepers - non of these useless and generally less intelligent outfield players!

Argue with this and you're likely to get a visit from Marcus and his military hardware!! :wink:

Yes, they'll catch the ball OK, but what with Marcus's distribution skills...


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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by RoyalBlue » 17 Feb 2009 13:12

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RoyalBlue As both my kids (a boy and girl) are members of the goalkeeping union, I have a simple and highly effective solution. All ball boys/girls should have to be proven goalkeepers - non of these useless and generally less intelligent outfield players!

Argue with this and you're likely to get a visit from Marcus and his military hardware!! :wink:

Yes, they'll catch the ball OK, but what with Marcus's distribution skills...


Even as I typed I knew I was setting myself up for that one!! :lol: (tbf Marcus is pretty good when he throws it out).

Fortunately my kids' coach ran one to one sessions with Ben Foster when he was at Watford so they can distribute the ball pretty well. :wink:

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by soggy biscuit » 01 Mar 2009 14:55

Liam Rosenior clearly thinks that they shouldn't

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by Dr Hfuhruhurr » 02 Mar 2009 12:58

soggy biscuit Liam Rosenior clearly thinks that they shouldn't


Anybody else disconcerted about our sometimes grotty behaviour towards the ballboys/girls.
They're kids FFS.

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by Gloria Gooner » 02 Mar 2009 16:30

One of the Forest players was booked for that on Saturday.

Mind you, there was also a female lino - what will they think of next?!


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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by West Stand Man » 02 Mar 2009 17:02

What is wrrying here is that some of the posters seriously belive the utter tripe that they are writing about the perceived inability of females to catch and throw.

I give you professional basket ball in the USA, professional netball here (and across the world) to name just 2 pieces of clear evidence that you are talking nonsense. I have seen the male ball boys struggle too. The next thing we will have is a suggestion that their chromosome make up is causing that!

The truth is that some of us are good at hand eye skills and some aren't - and it is not a gender thing. The question really ought to be
"Should RFC employ kids as ball boys/girls if they have no hand eye co-ordination"

and even that assumes that they have a pool of keen volunteers to pick from. What if this is the only group that came forward to volunteer?

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by Dirk Gently » 02 Mar 2009 17:30

West Stand Man What is wrrying here is that some of the posters seriously believe the utter tripe that they are writing about the perceived inability of females to catch and throw.

I give you professional basket ball in the USA, professional netball here (and across the world) to name just 2 pieces of clear evidence that you are talking nonsense. I have seen the male ball boys struggle too. The next thing we will have is a suggestion that their chromosome make up is causing that!

The truth is that some of us are good at hand eye skills and some aren't - and it is not a gender thing. The question really ought to be
"Should RFC employ kids as ball boys/girls if they have no hand eye co-ordination"

and even that assumes that they have a pool of keen volunteers to pick from. What if this is the only group that came forward to volunteer?


I agree with you just about everything else you say, but I think it is it is a gender thing to a certain extent,.

If you took a random sample of 100 girls and 100 boys I suspect you'd find that a higher proportion of the boys would be competent at throwing and catching then of the girls.

I don't think that's genetic - I think it's just boys are encouraged to throw and catch from an earlier age than girls are.

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by Aly Murty » 02 Mar 2009 19:36

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West Stand Man What is wrrying here is that some of the posters seriously believe the utter tripe that they are writing about the perceived inability of females to catch and throw.

I give you professional basket ball in the USA, professional netball here (and across the world) to name just 2 pieces of clear evidence that you are talking nonsense. I have seen the male ball boys struggle too. The next thing we will have is a suggestion that their chromosome make up is causing that!

The truth is that some of us are good at hand eye skills and some aren't - and it is not a gender thing. The question really ought to be
"Should RFC employ kids as ball boys/girls if they have no hand eye co-ordination"

and even that assumes that they have a pool of keen volunteers to pick from. What if this is the only group that came forward to volunteer?


I agree with you just about everything else you say, but I think it is it is a gender thing to a certain extent,.

If you took a random sample of 100 girls and 100 boys I suspect you'd find that a higher proportion of the boys would be competent at throwing and catching then of the girls.

I don't think that's genetic - I think it's just boys are encouraged to throw and catch from an earlier age than girls are.


Which is what I was trying to get across, but perhaps in not such a succinct manner. Of course some girls are very good and play professional netball and basketball, but in the general population the majority of the girls do not possess the same ability as their male counterparts.

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by West Stand Man » 02 Mar 2009 20:38

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Which is what I was trying to get across, but perhaps in not such a succinct manner. Of course some girls are very good and play professional netball and basketball, but in the general population the majority of the girls do not possess the same ability as their male counterparts.


They do possess the ability (I would argue) but they are often not as well practised in using that ability. So I go back to the general thrust of my point; it is a decent hand / eye co-ord that is key, not simply a gender issue.

I agree that the likelihood is that (due to the way we bring them up) a greater % of boys will have honed those skills - but that is not because boys are genetically better at ball catching and throwing.

It seems that we are violently agreeing with each other in a rather convoluted way!?


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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by Aly Murty » 03 Mar 2009 10:57

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Which is what I was trying to get across, but perhaps in not such a succinct manner. Of course some girls are very good and play professional netball and basketball, but in the general population the majority of the girls do not possess the same ability as their male counterparts.


They do possess the ability (I would argue) but they are often not as well practised in using that ability. So I go back to the general thrust of my point; it is a decent hand / eye co-ord that is key, not simply a gender issue.

I agree that the likelihood is that (due to the way we bring them up) a greater % of boys will have honed those skills - but that is not because boys are genetically better at ball catching and throwing.

It seems that we are violently agreeing with each other in a rather convoluted way!?


Sounds about right, yes! There are still a few points I'd argue - mainly, boys tend to attain greater strength and motor control at a younger age and so are better suited, but I vehemently believe any girl who has the ability should be encouraged.

Agreed with the other posters re: Rosenior as well, he needs to calm down.

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by Matt de K » 03 Mar 2009 15:08

West Stand Man it is a decent hand / eye co-ord that is key, not simply a gender issue.


I would say that the majority of girls lack in hand/eye coordination in comparison to boys

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by West Stand Man » 03 Mar 2009 19:52

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West Stand Man it is a decent hand / eye co-ord that is key, not simply a gender issue.


I would say that the majority of girls lack in hand/eye coordination in comparison to boys


You;

a. have clearly not been reading this thread; or
b. have no idea what you are talking about; or
both the above.

Genetically there is no difference in hand/eye co-ord at birth (or beyond). How we develop that skill is another issue. That is a fact, rare to actually have facts on this board - but that is one for you.

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by Matt de K » 04 Mar 2009 16:53

Ok then, in simple terms, just for you old man:

FACT:

Boys are better than girls when it comes to throwing and catching.

Break that simple sentence down and you will see (or maybe "you" won't) that I've mentioned nothing about birth skills at all. Just a simple sentence that even most women will agree is correct!!

You;
a)need to chill out dude; and
b)throw something to your wife and see if she catches it, and I'm not talking about toys or prams; and more importantly
c)have a laugh sometimes

Hope this helps

Love

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by West Stand Man » 04 Mar 2009 16:56

Matt de K Ok then, in simple terms, just for you old man:

FACT:

Boys are better than girls when it comes to throwing and catching.

Break that simple sentence down and you will see (or maybe "you" won't) that I've mentioned nothing about birth skills at all. Just a simple sentence that even most women will agree is correct!!

You;
a)need to chill out dude; and
b)throw something to your wife and see if she catches it, and I'm not talking about toys or prams; and more importantly
c)have a laugh sometimes

Hope this helps

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Ahh, the old 'I've lost the argument so I'll be offensive' trick. Well done.

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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by Matt de K » 04 Mar 2009 19:00

I noticed that you quoted me, but did you actually read what I typed??

I think you'll find, upon re-reading, that:
a) I wasn't by anymeans offensive; and
b)I haven't lost any bit of my argument that boys are clearly better than girls at catching.




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Re: Should RFC employ girls as ball boys?

by willz_royal » 09 Mar 2009 20:55

Girls can only catch the frying pan if it falls from their stove.

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