Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by Archies Volley II » 02 Sep 2009 19:51

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Jeffers217 YAWN- move on FineRain mate that's 2/3 yrs ago. And one name for you...STEVE SIDWELL...big factor


lolwhat? Those include this years stats. I've presented information published TODAY in a well respected national newspaper. You can choose to interpret this any way you want.
The fact remains- we showed the least ambition to stay in the premiership out of all the clubs who have been there in the last 5 years. I think it makes interesting reading.


The fact remains our net transfer spend was the least in the first season after promotion.

If you want to equate transfer spend to ambition (and I realise you do) to stay in the division and compare us to all the clubs who have been in the division in the last 5 years I think you need to provide a few more figures.......

However, if you want to just twist something you read today into an attack on the club then congrats mission achieved.

You started so well, with the "interesting stats" bit but could only contain yourself for so long when the rest of the board didn't say "we showed no ambition - fact" for you :mrgreen:

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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by SteveRoyal » 02 Sep 2009 19:57

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Reading are below every one of those leagues clubs league position wise in the modern game.




We're 5 games in :|


Yep, but stats don't lie. I'm just amazed we thought we could buck the trend of the modern game and do it our own way.

True... but learn from your mistakes, right?
I'm sure Madejski would show the dough if we got promoted again...
:| Oh, wait...

Plus, I think the fact that our squad managed a record 106 points in the Championship will have affected the mentality of the Reading FC staff in the transfer window that summer.
"Our squad was fantastic this season, they broke the record number of points! They'll do fine in the Premiership..."

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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by ScottishRoyal » 02 Sep 2009 23:26

ankeny The bigger question is,what did we spend in the second season to establish ourselves in the prem?


Spot on!

This seems the obvious question to ask and I can't blieve only one person's mentioned it. Too many people on here can'ts break down a problem. The lack of second season spending is clearly the crux of the 'why did we get relegated argument'.

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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by Archies Volley II » 02 Sep 2009 23:35

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ankeny The bigger question is,what did we spend in the second season to establish ourselves in the prem?


Spot on!

This seems the obvious question to ask and I can't blieve only one person's mentioned it. Too many people on here can'ts break down a problem. The lack of second season spending is clearly the crux of the 'why did we get relegated argument'.


I cannot believe there are so many people who only read the posts that agree with their point of view!

I understand it to be poor form to quote yourself but read my post on the first page - in fact read the whole thread as your reply indicates you have not as ankeny (not that I agree with his/her point of view) is not even the first person to mention the second season in a negative way :roll:

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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by Nick Shorey my Lord! » 03 Sep 2009 07:56

2005

West Ham 8 million
Wigan 4.8 Million
Sunderland 4million Relegated

2006

Watford 7.3 million Relegated
Sheff Utd 7 milllion Relegated

Reading 2 million

2007
Sunderland 33.6 million
Derby 13.3 million Relegated
Birmingham 10.1 million Relegated


2008

Stoke 19.8 million
West brom 13.3 million Relegated
Hull 6.25 Million

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50% of the teams promoted were relegated in the first season. So what does that tell us?

Quality >>> Quantity

It also tells us that spending a lot isn't the same as spending well.

All in all people need to move the fuck on.


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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by Dirk Gently » 03 Sep 2009 08:00

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ankeny The bigger question is,what did we spend in the second season to establish ourselves in the prem?


Spot on!

This seems the obvious question to ask and I can't blieve only one person's mentioned it. Too many people on here can'ts break down a problem. The lack of second season spending is clearly the crux of the 'why did we get relegated argument'.


And the answer to this question is an old, much-discussed-already one. I assume people are suggesting that the money wasn't available to be spent, but in fact it was and the manager decided not to.

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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by papereyes » 03 Sep 2009 09:05

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ankeny The bigger question is,what did we spend in the second season to establish ourselves in the prem?


Spot on!

This seems the obvious question to ask and I can't blieve only one person's mentioned it. Too many people on here can'ts break down a problem. The lack of second season spending is clearly the crux of the 'why did we get relegated argument'.


Its not even the amounts that matter but the positions and the players.

I've written longish pieces on this but ... essentially ...

Lita, Little, Sidwell all made much-reduced contributions in that second season because they'd found bling, got crocked or took a far better opportunity.

Kitson covered Lita's absence to some extent (total strikeforce goals 1st season = 24, 2nd season = 20, so not that great a fall) however, Kitson's goals tended to be more spectacular and we needed a goal poacher. Given that, in effect, we went down due to a goal, having a good finisher actually taking the chances in tight games (such as a 0-0 near the end of the season). Someone who could take those half chances that come randomly in a game. Further to that, the infamous second season syndrome seems to affect individual players - I don't think its all a coincidence that our most productive striker was one whose first Premiership season was so curtailed. Teams work out how to play against players. Kitson was a new problem.

But we'd not have needed that extra contribution from Lita so much if we'd had the creativity outwide we'd had in previous years. 11 different players tried and failed to play in the right wing position in the second season. For the want of a relatively small sum or risking playing someone like Cox there and giving them 5 games to see how they do, we lost the balanced and aggressive wide play. With Hunt tending to come inside and no right wing, the onus on the team fell on the centre of midfield.

And that was just not the same beast it was the previous season. It had neither the defensive grit or attacking strength of simply having Sidwell's engine in there.

Scott Brown, who the club actually spoke to, would have made a difference. We could have, easily imo, found a player in the January window 2007 and given them a few months to fill Sidwell's shoes. Players like Steve Davis (now at Rangers) went for a few million when we were making similar sized bids in that time frame. There's good young players available. I don't think it was a mission impossible.

Anyway, old news. I hope, if we ever find ourselves in that position again, we learn from our mistakes.

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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by LUX » 03 Sep 2009 09:14

all fair enough.

My memory of Kitson that season was that he was the leading English scorer in the Premiership at the turn of the year, then made some anti- FA Cup comments and we went on a massive losing/him not scoring streak.

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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by buzzby » 03 Sep 2009 10:50

Derby 13.3 million Relegated


1.2 million per point!!


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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by papereyes » 03 Sep 2009 11:01

LUX all fair enough.

My memory of Kitson that season was that he was the leading English scorer in the Premiership at the turn of the year, then made some anti- FA Cup comments and we went on a massive losing/him not scoring streak.


He still scored more in that losing streak than Lita did all season and Doyle did in the same spell. :|

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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by Schards#2 » 03 Sep 2009 11:57

So we spent the least and achieved the best outcome.

And still there are 'tards who slag Coppell off.

Morons, complete and utter morons.

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Re: Article in the Times: Promotion Team spending in the prem

by Ian Royal » 03 Sep 2009 12:28

Schards#2 So we spent the least and achieved the best outcome.

And still there are 'tards who slag Coppell off.

Morons, complete and utter morons.


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