Lee Hughes

[LoyalRoyalFan]

You beat me to it papereyes, they were exactly the points I picked out.

To pick up on another point by LoyalRoyalFan, and going off subject a bit, why do you think he should have been made to fulfill his whole six-year sentence? Is it because your perception of him is as a person who is a bit of a c*nt, despite almost certainly not knowing the man, and certainly never taking any notice of his behaviour inside prison? He was given a six-year custodial sentence, three years to be served on probation, standard fare for any person jailed for that length of time. Again, you can't make rules for one person and alter them for another.

[AthleticoSpizz]

I guess the question has to be asked...

What would you do if Reading signed him?

[Archie's penalty]

On Lee Hughes' wikipedia page:

However, Oldham finished eighth and just missed out on a playoff place.This was of course all lee Hughes' fault and he was punished by being thrown into a tank of man eating sharks.

[papereyes]

I guess the question has to be asked...

What would you do if Reading signed him?

I'd be quite annoyed and may register that in a strongly worded letter.

[papereyes]

That really wasn't the point being made ...

I know. However I know i will get slated for anything I say on this thread. We are all entitled to our views. I respect yours and I hope you respect mine.

FYI everyone is indeed entitled to an opinion, it doesn't mean it is necessarily right, or that others should respect the opinion, or the person, just the right to have one.

Otherwise we would have to respect people with the opinion that all children should be brutally raped to death with a cactus.

I dunno - alongside the right of having an opinion is also having the balls/brain to know when its flawed.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

To be honest, you got your point across better than I did mine.

I'll take back what I said.

[TFF]

I guess the question has to be asked...

What would you do if Reading signed him?

I'd bitch on HobNob.

Probably not applaud his name before the match.

Go fukkin mental when he scores the winner.

[Deadlock]

However, footballers get let off a bit to easily.

Really? Would you like to justify that comment with respect to Lee Hughes, with reference to official Home Office sentencing guidelines?

[Nick Shorey my Lord!]

I'm still waiting for Loyalroyals explanation on what released prisoners allowed professions are. Tea bag makers? Willow basket weavers?

He did the crime, he's served the time (in line with standard UK criminal justice laws/guidelines) and he's earning a wage (and thus paying "his way"). He doesn't play for Reading.

What i meant was that Footballers are role models. It's a job, thousands of people would love to do. I don't think there should be second chances when you threw away a previlaged job, as being a footballer.

Ok, what classifies a privileged job then? Money? Wealth? Status? Exposure to the media? How exactly would you determine or set a benchmark and who is going to enforce this? How could you legally stop someone from working who isn't undertaking any crime? What's to stop him, for example, playing outside the UK - what do you do then?

He didn't get away with anything and thus justice (whether we like it or not) has been done. The whole point of prison is two fold; keep those most dangerous away from society and for those that are not classified that way, to be rehabilitated ready for inclusion back into society. We can argue whether that's consistently applied but he was charged, punished and has completed the time.

He's not acting disrespectfully in anyway.

[TBM]

I'm still waiting for Loyalroyals explanation on what released prisoners allowed professions are. Tea bag makers? Willow basket weavers?

He did the crime, he's served the time (in line with standard UK criminal justice laws/guidelines) and he's earning a wage (and thus paying "his way"). He doesn't play for Reading.

What i meant was that Footballers are role models. It's a job, thousands of people would love to do. I don't think there should be second chances when you threw away a previlaged job, as being a footballer.

Ok, what classifies a privileged job then? Money? Wealth? Status? Exposure to the media? How exactly would you determine or set a benchmark and who is going to enforce this? How could you legally stop someone from working who isn't undertaking any crime? What's to stop him, for example, playing outside the UK - what do you do then?

He didn't get away with anything and thus justice (whether we like it or not) has been done. The whole point of prison is two fold; keep those most dangerous away from society and for those that are not classified that way, to be rehabilitated ready for inclusion back into society. We can argue whether that's consistently applied but he was charged, punished and has completed the time.

He's not acting disrespectfully in anyway.

/end of thread

[handbags_harris]

the issue is that you can't have one rule for one and one rule for another, simply because he happens to be a pretty decent footballer.

Exactly - time and again we see that football celebrities are let off easily, they walk away time and again.

Deary me. Get off your sensationalist pedestal. Lee Hughes did not get let off easily, he may have initially walked away, probably to avoid a breath test but he handed himself in the next morning. The law deals with these incidents in the same manner in which a positive breath specimen is given so it's not as though he got off lightly is it? His sentence was correct in comparison to other cases and previous convictions.

[Row Z Royal]

handbags, you obviously have a clear tendency to identify with the criminal rather than the victim.
I will not draw any conclusions as to what that means, let's just say it makes me wonder about your lifestyle.

Uh-oh

[handbags_harris]

handbags, you obviously have a clear tendency to identify with the criminal rather than the victim.
I will not draw any conclusions as to what that means, let's just say it makes me wonder about your lifestyle.

You won't draw any conclusions, but it makes you wonder about my lifestyle? That in itself is a conclusion is it not?

Anyway, your comment is interesting. From what I can make out it's pretty clear you identify solely with the victim and appear to believe that a criminal who has inadvertantly killed someone through their actions is not worthy of the air they breathe. Your choice, your opinion, I have no problem with that, but it's not something I have to agree with. If you imply that because I identify more with the criminal, then you're probably right. To imply that I am a criminal myself is well wide of the mark though, I am nothing of the sort my friend.

Either way, wonder all you like. I like to think I am able to give people who have committed a crime, served their punishment, and aren't beyond social redemption, a chance. I create my own view on a person based on what I see and hear with my own eyes and ears. I don't regard what I see or hear in the media about someone as a good source in order to form a judgement. I don't judge someone's character solely on whether they've been in prison or not, there is more to a man than that. In other words, Lee Hughes has committed a crime, has served his punishment, but isn't beyond social redemption, and therefore in my view is worthy of a second crack of the whip. I don't judge Lee Hughes's character based solely on the fact he's been in prison, and seeing as I don't know him, have never spoken to him, and probably never will speak to him, I cannot and will not form a view on the man other than what I have stated already - he does not deserve to still be banged up, and he can carry on playing football (performing that admittedly sh*t dance) for as long as he likes.