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Re: The deluded Irish

by Gus the teenage cow » 13 Oct 2009 16:19

Starfish gttc the optimist. The midfield of Duff, Ireland, Reid & McGeady looks nice but I have no idea which one of them is going to win the ball consistently for us. I am afraid I have to agree with the McGeady-chorus - he has done precious little (yet) to show that he is good enough to play for anyone other than who he is currently playing for. And Andy Reid playing for a top 4 side is something I will not hold my breath waiting for (although I do like him).

Again, it's a nice attacking side you've built gus, but one that might lose in Cyprus.


no but i am referring to stephen reid, andy can be a bench option, stephen can pass, tackle, shoot-he has it all

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Starfish » 13 Oct 2009 16:28

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Starfish gttc the optimist. The midfield of Duff, Ireland, Reid & McGeady looks nice but I have no idea which one of them is going to win the ball consistently for us. I am afraid I have to agree with the McGeady-chorus - he has done precious little (yet) to show that he is good enough to play for anyone other than who he is currently playing for. And Andy Reid playing for a top 4 side is something I will not hold my breath waiting for (although I do like him).

Again, it's a nice attacking side you've built gus, but one that might lose in Cyprus.


no but i am referring to stephen reid, andy can be a bench option, stephen can pass, tackle, shoot-he has it all


Fair enough - I think I read your post too fast and, tbh, I had practically forgotten about S.Reid, because he is (as you said) injured all the time.

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Re: The deluded Irish

by floyd__streete » 13 Oct 2009 19:13

Gus the teenage cow i would much prefer dunphy's lambasting the team for drawing with the world champions twice (i.e. expecting us to be world-beaters playing silky football all the time) than the patronising attitude often adopted by the english media


But why on earth would the Irish ever expect to be anything ever approaching world beaters in football? Teams from your national league never make any impact whatsoever on european club competition and a good proportion of your squad ply their trade in the second tier of english football. You are kidding - almost cheating - yourselves if you are expecting world-beating silky football. Trapattoni has got your side playing rather effectively and the likes of Dunphy should be thanking their lucky stars for that if they really love their country. I somehow suspect, however, that Dunphy has always tended to love himself rather more.

Interesting isn't it that your post became a rant about the english media when I was initially discussing your national side and the Irish media.

Gus the teenage cow lm: aiden mcgeady (the guy is world class and has every trick in the book


.....but he consistently fails to deliver on the european and international stage. Against Italy he did seem to have plenty of skill, but seemed ultimately more likely to bamboozle himself than the opposition.

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Tony Le Mesmer » 13 Oct 2009 19:53

Gus the teenage cow trapatonni has us playing very negatively and defensively which is not really our way


I think you'll find it is.

Jack Charlton lived by it.

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Gus the teenage cow » 13 Oct 2009 20:11

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Gus the teenage cow i would much prefer dunphy's lambasting the team for drawing with the world champions twice (i.e. expecting us to be world-beaters playing silky football all the time) than the patronising attitude often adopted by the english media


But why on earth would the Irish ever expect to be anything ever approaching world beaters in football? Teams from your national league never make any impact whatsoever on european club competition and a good proportion of your squad ply their trade in the second tier of english football. You are kidding - almost cheating - yourselves if you are expecting world-beating silky football. Trapattoni has got your side playing rather effectively and the likes of Dunphy should be thanking their lucky stars for that if they really love their country. I somehow suspect, however, that Dunphy has always tended to love himself rather more.

Interesting isn't it that your post became a rant about the english media when I was initially discussing your national side and the Irish media.

Gus the teenage cow lm: aiden mcgeady (the guy is world class and has every trick in the book


.....but he consistently fails to deliver on the european and international stage. Against Italy he did seem to have plenty of skill, but seemed ultimately more likely to bamboozle himself than the opposition.



that domestic league argument is such garbage, none of our players play in the domestic league, so a completely moot point except to score condescending points against our shoite league

oh and you say a good proportion play in the second tier, nice spin but bollox, one of the starting 11 against italy plays in the second tier, st. ledger and he is definitely top tier material

also i never said i expected us to be world beaters playing silky football, i said i prefer that attitude than the "we are shoite, expect nothing, anything is a bonus" attitude. Neither of these analyses are correct, some parts of the irish media believe the former attitude, a large proportion of the uninformed british media believe the latter. the truth is we are somewhere in between, lacking depth but a first 11 THAT CAN COMPETE WITH ANY SIDE ON THE WORLD STAGE AND WITH SEVERAL TOP PLAYERS, our unbeaten record in the pool proves this and i stand by my assertion that mcgeady is world class and dis


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Re: The deluded Irish

by Archie's penalty » 14 Oct 2009 00:31

Brilliant performance from the lads.

Ever since we had Doyler in the Green have been a big fan - actually my liking of Ireland probably goes back to 1990.

Doyle did well but kept dropping a bit too deep. Was annoyed when Trap brought him off but then thought Leon 'I'm a chobber' Best did well.

Really happy when Hunty came on - did what he does best - storm down the wing - get a free-kick and then - what a delivery! Brilliant!
It's no surprise my Irish mates love the nuttah. And it was good to see Noel on the bench as well.

Great entertainment - great performance - I hope the Irish get Greece, Slovenia/Slovakia because they will get beat by Portugal, France and Russia.

Oh and well done to Italy too, very professional and Pirlo was amazing.

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Starfish » 14 Oct 2009 13:13

On Dunphy ...

Starfish S.Hunt called him a 'skinny little rat' in an interview this week, I read today.


I heard that Dunphy's reply this morning was 'he's not exactly Mr. Universe himself.' A controlled response, all facts considered.

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Re: The deluded Irish

by floyd__streete » 14 Oct 2009 13:59

Gus,

I am not meaning to be condescending towards the Eircom League (you yourself called it shoite, not me) but my theory behind the perceived lack of strength of your league is that it can be no coincidence that the more successful national teams tend to boast the strongest and richest domestic leagues. If the Eircom League is shoite then it can hardly be expected to produce a regular supply of top international players can it? You could of course counter by saying that Ireland has produced top class contemporary players like Given and Robbie Keane, but do you really have any strength in depth? If Keane, for instance, picks up an injury then you are looking at the likes of Noel Hunt and Shane Long to replace him.

Furthemore, your most successful international era was under Jackie Charlton, I am sure that you would agree with that. And in that time you qualified for 2 World Cups and a European Championships with a team full of scots and english due to FIFA's absolutely barking eligibility rules which the Irish FA and Charlton cleverly took advantage. You achieved that success, by the way, with - as Tony Le Mesmer alludes to - a style of football which could most politely described as being a dogs of war work ethic. This is in no way a criticism, in fact I absolutely admire any team which plays successfully to its strengths (as we have seen with Reading recently, sideways passing with little penetration is neither successful nor particularly entertaining to watch).

I very much agree with you that Ireland could give any team a decent game on the world stage which I would say is to a large degree very much due to the work-ethic instilled by Trapattoni; after all, it was barely two years ago that you were getting thrashed by the likes of Cyprus. If Ireland are successful in South Africa next summer I would expect that would be down to the coaching skills of Trapattoni - and a style of play not disimilar to Jack Charlton's golden era - than the step-overs of McGeady. Incidentally, you are probably in the over-whelming minority of people who would rate the latter as world class and I must say that your argument that McGeady is world class because I say he is is weak even by Hob Nob standards. Perhaps your posts are written tongue in cheek anyway, because I find it astonishing that anyone could display such an inferiority complex.
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Re: The deluded Irish

by Silver Fox » 14 Oct 2009 14:04

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Dunphy also deeply critical of the Italia 90 team pre-world cup, as mentioned in Roddy Doyle's "The Van" where a sausage is known as a Dunphy thanks to a photo of him with his cock showing?

I seem to remember he was also somewhat dismissive of the 2002 team but this was down to him being a friend of Roy Keane.


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Re: The deluded Irish

by Gus the teenage cow » 14 Oct 2009 14:21

floyd__streete Incidentally, you are probably in the over-whelming minority of people who would rate the latter as world class and I must say that your argument that McGeady is world class because I say he is is weak even by Hob Nob standards. Perhaps your posts are written tongue in cheek anyway, because I find it astonishing that anyone could display such an inferiority complex.


ummm, my argument that I think he is world class is based on watching him numerous times for Celtic (who i watch regularly) and Ireland. I think I am right in saying you are neither a celtic or ireland fan so One can safely assume I have seen him in action more than you. Yes, you may say, it's quite easy to look impressive against the likes of Kilmarnock and St. Johnstone so I am not basing my judgement on those games, rather on internationals and big European games where he constantly gives impressive performances IMO. Indeed wasn't this lack of end product argument previously often thrown at Ronaldo, I rate McGeady highly, you don't and my opinion that he is world class is as valid as yours that he isn't (in fact I think mine is more valid as i've seen him play more but there you go, it's a game of opinions)

an inferiority compLOLex, not quite, some people suggest the contrary

a tad defensive, guilty but like Trap it does One no harm.

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Royal With Cheese » 14 Oct 2009 14:37

The only game I've really seen McGeady shine in was again Rangers last week. That just about sums him up. On the big stage he's yet to prove himself.

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Re: The deluded Irish

by FiNeRaIn » 14 Oct 2009 15:45

He didn't even shine, he struggled to get any end product past sas papac and david weir - hardly household names. Mcgeady has a good touch, a bit of a skill and can run well with the ball. He rarely scores, can't cross and rarely makes a killer ball. Would struggle big time in the prem. WorLOLd cLOlass shows how blinkered most celtic fans are. Scott brown was players of the year in Scotland last year and isn't remotely considered euroepan class, nevermind world class. Why wasn't mcgeady chosen instead of him? Says it all.

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Gus the teenage cow » 14 Oct 2009 16:02

FiNeRaIn He didn't even shine, he struggled to get any end product past sas papac and david weir - hardly household names. Mcgeady has a good touch, a bit of a skill and can run well with the ball. He rarely scores, can't cross and rarely makes a killer ball. Would struggle big time in the prem. WorLOLd cLOlass shows how blinkered most celtic fans are. Scott brown was players of the year in Scotland last year and isn't remotely considered euroepan class, nevermind world class. Why wasn't mcgeady chosen instead of him? Says it all.


umm coz he won it the year before and we want to share the award around the dressing-room


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Re: The deluded Irish

by FiNeRaIn » 14 Oct 2009 18:23

The best players are up there every year. He's great at terrorising st.mirren, shite against decent players.

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Doyler » 14 Oct 2009 19:06

Gus the teenage cow IT'S AS IF ENGLISH MEDIA CANNOT ACKNOWLEDGE A LITTLE OLD IRISH PROVINCE HAS BASICALLY DOMINATED EUROPEAN RUGBY FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS SO THEY MUST FIND SOME WAY TO EXPLAIN IT, IT CAN'T BE THEIR QUALITY, THOSE LITTLE PROVINCIAL PEASANTS CAN'T BE BETTER THAN US, CAN THEY, CAN THEY???

Heineken Cup Winners in the last 10 years:

1999 - Ulster beat Colomiers 21-6
2000 - Northampton beat Munster 9-8
2001 - Leicester beat Stade Francais 34-30
2002 - Leicester beat Munster 15-9
2003 - Toulouse beat Perpignan 22-17
2004 - Wasps beat Toulouse 27-20
2005 - Toulouse beat Stade Francais 18-12 aet
2006 - Munster beat Biarritz 23-19
2007 - Wasps beat Leicester 25-9
2008 - Munster beat Toulouse 16-13
2009 - Leinster beat Leicester 19-16

Munster have won the trophy twice, and that feat has been equalled by Leicester and Wasps, while Toulouse are the only club to win it three times. On that evidence I cannot fathom how you perceive Munster to have dominated Europe in the last 10 years. I would say that the evidence clearly shows that success in Europe has been fairly evenly spread. Also, with regards to Munster bettering English achievements, may I point out that you have not managed to beat English opposition in a final, losing twice. You certainly have lived up to the thread title Gus.

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Gus the teenage cow » 14 Oct 2009 20:11

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Gus the teenage cow IT'S AS IF ENGLISH MEDIA CANNOT ACKNOWLEDGE A LITTLE OLD IRISH PROVINCE HAS BASICALLY DOMINATED EUROPEAN RUGBY FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS SO THEY MUST FIND SOME WAY TO EXPLAIN IT, IT CAN'T BE THEIR QUALITY, THOSE LITTLE PROVINCIAL PEASANTS CAN'T BE BETTER THAN US, CAN THEY, CAN THEY???

Heineken Cup Winners in the last 10 years:

1999 - Ulster beat Colomiers 21-6
2000 - Northampton beat Munster 9-8
2001 - Leicester beat Stade Francais 34-30
2002 - Leicester beat Munster 15-9
2003 - Toulouse beat Perpignan 22-17
2004 - Wasps beat Toulouse 27-20
2005 - Toulouse beat Stade Francais 18-12 aet
2006 - Munster beat Biarritz 23-19
2007 - Wasps beat Leicester 25-9
2008 - Munster beat Toulouse 16-13
2009 - Leinster beat Leicester 19-16

Munster have won the trophy twice, and that feat has been equalled by Leicester and Wasps, while Toulouse are the only club to win it three times. On that evidence I cannot fathom how you perceive Munster to have dominated Europe in the last 10 years. I would say that the evidence clearly shows that success in Europe has been fairly evenly spread. Also, with regards to Munster bettering English achievements, may I point out that you have not managed to beat English opposition in a final, losing twice. You certainly have lived up to the thread title Gus.


i don't want to turn this into a rugby thread but again let''s look through the spin

FACT: IN THE LAST 10 YEARS MUNSTER HAVE BY FAR AND AWAY THE MOST CONSISTENT RECORD IN EUROPE

98/99-qf
99/2000-final
2000/2001-sf
2001/2002-final
2002/2003-sf
2003/2004-sf
2004/2005-qf
2005/2006-champions
2006/2007-qf
2007/2008-champions
2008/2009-sf

NO OTHER TEAM COMES EVEN CLOSE TO THIS LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY OVER 11 YEARS, i think the facts above show their domination, oh and their record against english clubs is played 16 won 11 lost 5

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Re: The deluded Irish

by FiNeRaIn » 14 Oct 2009 20:19

So your argument would be england are the best rugby team in the world as they have made two consistent world cup finals?

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Doyler » 15 Oct 2009 17:39

FiNeRaIn So your argument would be england are the best rugby team in the world as they have made two consistent world cup finals?
And for consistently reaching the knockout stages, unlike Ireland...

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Gus the teenage cow » 15 Oct 2009 18:01

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FiNeRaIn So your argument would be england are the best rugby team in the world as they have made two consistent world cup finals?
And for consistently reaching the knockout stages, unlike Ireland...



what a stupid analogy to draw

anyway have a look at the ERC current rankings

http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/121_9900.php

alos have a look at IRB current rankings

http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

these rankings are based on ummm well you know the results of matches, not speculation, opinion, hearsay and bullshoite opinion

I think they speak for themselves-case closed your honour!

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Re: The deluded Irish

by Royal With Cheese » 15 Oct 2009 18:11

Gus the teenage cow
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FiNeRaIn So your argument would be england are the best rugby team in the world as they have made two consistent world cup finals?
And for consistently reaching the knockout stages, unlike Ireland...



what a stupid analogy to draw

anyway have a look at the ERC current rankings

http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/121_9900.php

alos have a look at IRB current rankings

http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

these rankings are based on ummm well you know the results of matches, not speculation, opinion, hearsay and bullshoite opinion

I think they speak for themselves-case closed your honour!

Yes, the ERC takes into account games in a specific competition over the last 4 years and the IRB can be, and is, skewed to recent results - not how many world cup's you've won. England have been shyte for the last year, but don't let the facts get in the way of an opinion.

Anyway, I'm just waiting for the web site Gus comes up with to prove that McGeady is a world beater. I'm sure there's one.

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