World Cup Play-Offs

[Sun Tzu]

No. The player may be banned or fined, although I'm not sure if there's a precedent for a deliberate handball incident. The game will not be replayed as it totally negates the other 120 minutes of play, and punishes the 13 other French players who also played a significant part in the game. There is also the issue of when it could be played.

It was a yellow card offence so hard to see how he can be fined or banned.

And if he was then Robbie Keane would be too given he was penalised 3 times for handball in the game ....

Diving is a yellow card offence too, but Eduardo was initially banned for 2 games for his dive (although subsequently overturned, I'm not sure on what basis). The Eduardo incident has certainly opened the can of worms, as far as retrospective punishment goes.

I think it was over turned because there was no proof that he had deceived the referee. TV footage was inconclusive as to whether there was contact with the keeper (not that there being contact has anything to do with it anyway as the offence is tripping or attempting to trip and it is about the intent of the offender not the victim )

As Compo points out Henry didn't attempt to deceive anyone, he used his hand to control the ball but there was no deceit as such. I'm not sure you could fake actually doing something though !

[TFF]

[Schards#2]

The worst decision of the night didnt even take place in the France game!

No mention of the Russian player sent off for trying to score whilst be pushed in the face by a Slovenian. A cracking game as well, beats watching 2 uber defensive managers sending out 2 poor teams.

I was watching both games in a bar and couldn't believe the first sending off. Also didn't the ref book the keeper when it was a full back that pushed the forward in the face?

I've also no idea what the second red card was for but it seemed to involve a sub warming up, any clue? (i'd had a few beers by then)

[cmonurz]

Trapattoni lays the blame squarely at the feet of the referee and assistants. Suggests these situation have been affecting the game for too long, and that the game is losing credibility. He looks absolutely gutted.

Admits referees will make mistakes, seems to be hinting at TV replays. Very broken English!

Says it was not up to Henry to admit his handball.

[TBM]

They all ended up paying for it then, didn't they? Henry hasn't. That was my thinking anyway.

So what if the ref misses a blatant penalty and video replays afterwards clearing show it should have been one.....will games now be replayed?
What about goals that are scored but not given - will these games now be replayed?
What about goals that are not scored but given - will these games be replayed too?

Where do you draw the line? - Yes Henry handled it but there are 4 officials out there and not one of them spotted it.....

Its funny how everyone on here were LOLing at Chelsea losing to Barca last season when it was obvious from video replays they should have had at least 2 penalties etc - didn't hear people saying Chelsea were cheated out of the competition and the game should be replayed!!!

[Sarah Star]

Someone should pay for cheating, damn it! It's just wrong letting people get away with it.

[Sun Tzu]

Trapattoni lays the blame squarely at the feet of the referee and assistants. Suggests these situation have been affecting the game for too long, and that the game is losing credibility. He looks absolutely gutted.
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He's wrong IMHO.

First of all 'blame' doesn't have to be apportioned for everything that happens in life.

Secondly if something happens which neither of the two officials can see then how are they to blame ?

Thirdly he may want to think whether his forwards may share some blame becasue they missed a couple of very straightforward chances. Bit too close to home there though.

I can understand him feeling gutted, wouldn;t wish it on anyone.

TV replays would not solve the 'problem'.

[readingbedding]

I thought Trappatoni dealt with the press conference very well.

[TBM]

which neither of the two officials can see

To be honest, i don't know how the lino didn't spot at least 1 of the handballs

[Sun Tzu]

which neither of the two officials can see

To be honest, i don't know how the lino didn't spot at least 1 of the handballs

I guess it all being very blurred made it hard for him.....

[ZacNaloen]

TV replays would not solve the 'problem'.

*Clears throat*



TV's replays showed indiscriminantly that Henry moved his hand to the ball and controlled it.

Were the 4th official able to offer his view based off a tv monitor the goal would never have stood.


This is a clear cut example where TV Replay would have solved the issue. We'd all seen it before normal play had started again, so the argument it would slow the game down is also false.

[TFF]

indiscriminately?

indisputably perhaps

[TBM]

which neither of the two officials can see

To be honest, i don't know how the lino didn't spot at least 1 of the handballs

I guess it all being very blurred made it hard for him.....

Or he's about to pick up a package from a certain Mr Platini

[Gus the teenage cow]

Henry is being called a cheat because

A) he instinctively went to hand the ball to keep it from going out of play(ok not too bad that, some players do it)

B) he then handled it again to place it perfectly onto his right foot for the assist (a bit dodgy that)

c) he then lead the French celebrations after blatantly and illegally assisting a goal in extra-time of a world cup play-off decided (a match that comes around every four years)

d) he said after the game that the ball just hit his hand (a straightforward lie)

all of these things = a classic case of cheating

And yes to all the Einsteins out there, cheating has occurred in other matches before, thanks for that wonderful insight, however this was a decisive goal in extra-time of the second leg of a world-cup qualifier after almost 2 years of qualifying games and a chance to enter a tournament that comes around every 4 years

And yes to all the little Englanders who say some Irish fans would find it hilarious if this happened to England, we have malicious-minded embittered pcunts just as much as you do

And no, not everybody would do what Thierry did in that situation, if you are comfortable with cheating then fine speak for yourself, do not speak for all of us

[ZacNaloen]

indiscriminately?

indisputably perhaps

That's what I meant, woops.

[Sun Tzu]

This is a clear cut example where TV Replay would have solved the issue. We'd all seen it before normal play had started again, so the argument it would slow the game down is also false.

Sorry but that is absolutely no basis on which to decide TV replays are the way forward.

Of course in this case it may have meant a different (and correct) decision might have been arrived at.

But you have to consider how it would work every day, in every game played.

The problems are endless and IMHO almost insurmountable.

[Sun Tzu]

And no, not everybody would do what Thierry did in that situation, if you are comfortable with cheating then fine speak for yourself, do not speak for all of us

It is waht Robbie Keane woul dhave done.

And if the ref had blown he would have been in his face, arms spread wide calling him every name under the sun.

Three times Keane was penalised for handball last night, every time he argued about it !

[ZacNaloen]

This is a clear cut example where TV Replay would have solved the issue. We'd all seen it before normal play had started again, so the argument it would slow the game down is also false.

Sorry but that is absolutely no basis on which to decide TV replays are the way forward.

Of course in this case it may have meant a different (and correct) decision might have been arrived at.

But you have to consider how it would work every day, in every game played.

The problems are endless and IMHO almost insurmountable.

Right, and those are?


Every week we see situations where TV replays would have helped the ref.

So what are the insurmountable problems?

[Gus the teenage cow]

And no, not everybody would do what Thierry did in that situation, if you are comfortable with cheating then fine speak for yourself, do not speak for all of us

It is waht Robbie Keane woul dhave done.

And if the ref had blown he would have been in his face, arms spread wide calling him every name under the sun.

Three times Keane was penalised for handball last night, every time he argued about it !

WRONG

you don't know what keane would have done and the Keane handballs were all ball to hand/arm anyway, a ridiculous comparison to draw

[royal tee]

Thatcher was right when she said most of our problems have come from mainland Europe.

And it's also right to say that most cheats or managers who teach our boys to cheat come from mainland Europe.

Which European would do what Robbie Fowler did?

Keep football tidy. Keep football British.

And as for there STILL being no video replay evidence, well no wonder the Europeans on the relevant councils are against it.

WAKE UP FOOTBALL, WE ARE NOT LIVING IN THE DARK AGES ANYMORE FFS.

My heart goes out to our Irish brothers.

Surely this is a wind up.

Paolo Di Canio is European I believe.

Was Geoff Hurst a cheat in the 66 cup final for claiming a goal where the ball didn't cross the line ?