World Cup-the form of our players

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World Cup-the form of our players

by Victor Meldrew » 20 Dec 2009 21:49

If the World Cup were to take place now there would be lots to worry about.
There are big question marks about the keepers-seeing Green struggle today ,the lost confidence of Foster relegating him to no.3 at Man Utd,the ongoing injuries for Kirkland and James.

The current first choice full-backs Johnson and Cashley are both weak defensively.
Gary Neville is past it and Wayne Bridge never had it.

The centre-backs,Terry and Ferdinand (Ferdinand in particular) have injury problems as do both Lescott and Upson and Woodgate...well,is he ever fit?

In midfield neither Lampard nor Gerrard are really firing and Gerrard continues to carry an injury.
Wright-Phillips is erratic but Milner,Barry and Lennon are all doing o.k but could we win a World Cup with those 3 playing?
Walcott gets injured easily and seems a bit soft.
Downing has just started playing again.
Beckham isn't playing for anybody and has looked slower than ever.
Joe Cole-too many flicks and not enough accuracy and he looks even slower since his injury.

Heskey and Crouch-Zamora is now being mentioned which shows that these two don't have enough in their games to make an impression against good sides.
The same goes for Defoe-5 at home to Wigan is fine but substituted yesterday when not getting a look-in against physical defenders.As yet hasn't shown that he can do it against the big boys.
Owen?Will he get enough games and be sharp enough?
Rooney?
Will he just be too knackered by June after spending too much time chasing the ball like a schoolboy in areas where he isn't needed?.

There will be opportunities for others to stake a claim and of course there is a long way to go before June for players to find form (positive) but also time(negative) to lose form or get injured.
If the tournament were to take place now IMHO we would have no chance but it will be interesting to see who starts on June 12th (?).

Have I missed anybody apart from Wes Brown and Phil Neville? :wink:

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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by PlasticRoyale » 20 Dec 2009 22:07

I thought we'd already been guaranteed the world cup next year

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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by BR2 » 21 Dec 2009 13:18

PlasticRoyale I thought we'd already been guaranteed the world cup next year

Not sure it's an absolute guarantee Plastic but you just know that the expectation and hype will be greater than the performance on the pitch but whatever side we put out we must surely get through the first phase won't we?

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by No Fixed Abode » 21 Dec 2009 13:19

Lampard = the pick of the England midfield on current form.

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by BR2 » 21 Dec 2009 13:54

No Fixed Abode Lampard = the pick of the England midfield on current form.

At least he is getting plenty of practice with penalties-respect to the fat boy for scoring all three yesterday.


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by Seal » 22 Dec 2009 14:26

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There are big question marks about the keepers-seeing Green struggle today ,the lost confidence of Foster relegating him to no.3 at Man Utd,the ongoing injuries for Kirkland and James.


Agreed Keeper is a concern. Disappointing that no one has grasped a wonderful opportunity to be the England World Cup keeper. Expect to see James in goal aganist the US.

Victor Meldrew The current first choice full-backs Johnson and Cashley are both weak defensively.


Johnson has had two successive shocking performances, and yes right back is an issue. Richards is very similar in that respect. Wes Brown may be the safer choice but I would probably stick with Johnson as long as he gets over his current mini crisis.

Have to dispute you on Ashley Cole. He may be a nasty little so and so, but he is a world class left back, and very strong defensively - have you ever seen anyone keep Ronaldo as quiet as Cole has done?

Victor Meldrew The centre-backs,Terry and Ferdinand (Ferdinand in particular) have injury problems as do both Lescott and Upson and Woodgate...well,is he ever fit?


Can't take Woodgate, or Ledley King for that matter. Just too injury prone. Think Terry will be ok but Ferdinand also a concern. Hopefully this enforced break will have allowed him to get over all the niggles and be fresh(er) for the WC.

Victor Meldrew In midfield neither Lampard nor Gerrard are really firing and Gerrard continues to carry an injury.

Wright-Phillips is erratic but Milner,Barry and Lennon are all doing o.k but could we win a World Cup with those 3 playing?
Walcott gets injured easily and seems a bit soft.
Downing has just started playing again.
Beckham isn't playing for anybody and has looked slower than ever.
Joe Cole-too many flicks and not enough accuracy and he looks even slower since his injury.


I think we're ok in midfield. The lads at Villa are playing very well, which gives us added depth. Barry looks solid. Lennon and Wright-Phillips are having good seasons. Walcott hopefully will recover form, and Joe Cole has time to get back to full fitness. Also interesting to see how Becks goes as Milan. Yes he will be slow, but if he can still get enough space to put the ball on a centre forward's head from 40 yards then he'll be on the plane.

Concerns for me is Gerrard - if I was him I would be starting to get worried about my place in the first 11. Off form in a poor side. At least Lampard is playing for a highly competitive team still in the UCL.

Victor Meldrew Heskey and Crouch-Zamora is now being mentioned which shows that these two don't have enough in their games to make an impression against good sides.
The same goes for Defoe-5 at home to Wigan is fine but substituted yesterday when not getting a look-in against physical defenders.As yet hasn't shown that he can do it against the big boys.
Owen?Will he get enough games and be sharp enough?
Rooney?
Will he just be too knackered by June after spending too much time chasing the ball like a schoolboy in areas where he isn't needed?.


It's all about Rooney. He is key. If he is fit we have a chance, if not, doesn't any difference who are second striker is.

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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by Big Foot » 22 Dec 2009 14:37

Joe Hart wouldn't be a bad shout for the World Cup.

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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by Tails » 22 Dec 2009 14:44

Victor Meldrew is in desperate need of some Christmas spirit - very uncharitable to a whole host of those...

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by readingbedding » 22 Dec 2009 15:15

Wish Lucas was English.


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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by Victor Meldrew » 22 Dec 2009 17:52

Tails Victor Meldrew is in desperate need of some Christmas spirit - very uncharitable to a whole host of those...


:D
I just tell it how I see it and I don't see us having too many options if key men like Terry and Gerrard are unfit.

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by No Fixed Abode » 22 Dec 2009 19:38

John Terry 8)

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by Victor Meldrew » 22 Dec 2009 20:52

No Fixed Abode John Terry 8)


Our most important defender and organiser.

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by papereyes » 23 Dec 2009 09:22

Tails Victor Meldrew is in desperate need of some Christmas spirit - very uncharitable to a whole host of those...


Plan for the worst, hope for the best

Nothing wrong with that, whatsoever.


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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by TheMaraudingDog » 23 Dec 2009 10:41

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Tails Victor Meldrew is in desperate need of some Christmas spirit - very uncharitable to a whole host of those...


Plan for the worst, hope for the best

Nothing wrong with that, whatsoever.


Classic small club mentality.

Do you think Fergie plans to finish 4th and considers anything else a bonus or do you think he plans to win everything?

Plan for the worst, expect the worst.

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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by Tails » 23 Dec 2009 10:52

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Tails Victor Meldrew is in desperate need of some Christmas spirit - very uncharitable to a whole host of those...


Plan for the worst, hope for the best

Nothing wrong with that, whatsoever.


Of course not - but perhaps its not actually a productive philosophy to be so damning of the situation and all of our players, especially when confidence plays a large part. A balanced position is what I'd like to aim for, surely the average man can see some positives to our world cup campaign..(?)

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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by papereyes » 23 Dec 2009 12:58

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Tails Victor Meldrew is in desperate need of some Christmas spirit - very uncharitable to a whole host of those...


Plan for the worst, hope for the best

Nothing wrong with that, whatsoever.


Classic small club mentality.

Do you think Fergie plans to finish 4th and considers anything else a bonus or do you think he plans to win everything?

Plan for the worst, expect the worst.


I think he's perfectly aware of the possible failings of each and every player and endeavours to mitigate against them given his budget and playing staff.

There's no point preparing for a season believing that your players are all perfect and will do the jobs expected of them. You know that there will be injuries, losses of form and, within your budget, you combat it. Early.

Tails - there are positives, but you can't focus on them at the extent of the negatives. In fact, working on getting the least out of yoru negatives is probably the best preparation. It's not 'negative' to say that Gary Neville is past it, or that both 1st choice full backs are a bit poor defensively, or that there's potential injury problems in central defence or that Walcott seems easily injured or that Joe Cole might not be the player he was before his injury or that, Rooney aside, the striking options look quite thin on the ground.

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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by Tails » 23 Dec 2009 17:39

But this is a rant full of negativity for negativities sake. So all we've established is that our expansive full backs aren't great defensively (well duh) - our core (centre backs/midfield) could all be injured - and a claim that, Rooney aside, we aren't great up front....

Well any side going to the finals could have all their centre back/midfielders out - its a fecking pointless thing to be so negative about we cant control injuries, hell, we cant control meteors hitting the England Team bus on its way to the games but don't get fashionably cynical and negative about it! You see Lampard/Gerrard/Rio/Terry all coming a cropper come summer? (well we can now I've said it)

Defoe it topping the top scorers list (that includes Drogba/Torres) and we come out with comments like those found in the OP? oxf*rd off, negativity for negativities sake....

Villa - looking quite a good side (fingers crossed it continues) - with a whole host of English candidates....Milner/Young/Agbon..

in qualifying we scored one goal less than the mighty Spanish and Germans...hardly cause for the negativity in the OP.

And remember, I mention that we should be balanced....not solely negative (which the OP undoubtedly is) - its fine to keep an eye on our weaknesses...but don't believe you are beat before you get there :roll:

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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by yappy » 23 Dec 2009 19:47

No Fixed Abode Lampard = the pick of the England midfield on current form.


On current form, you'd have to pick Milner alongside him. He's looking class this season.

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by Victor Meldrew » 23 Dec 2009 20:27

Tails But this is a rant full of negativity for negativities sake. So all we've established is that our expansive full backs aren't great defensively (well duh) - our core (centre backs/midfield) could all be injured - and a claim that, Rooney aside, we aren't great up front....

Well any side going to the finals could have all their centre back/midfielders out - its a fecking pointless thing to be so negative about we cant control injuries, hell, we cant control meteors hitting the England Team bus on its way to the games but don't get fashionably cynical and negative about it! You see Lampard/Gerrard/Rio/Terry all coming a cropper come summer? (well we can now I've said it)

Defoe it topping the top scorers list (that includes Drogba/Torres) and we come out with comments like those found in the OP? oxf*rd off, negativity for negativities sake....

Villa - looking quite a good side (fingers crossed it continues) - with a whole host of English candidates....Milner/Young/Agbon..

in qualifying we scored one goal less than the mighty Spanish and Germans...hardly cause for the negativity in the OP.

And remember, I mention that we should be balanced....not solely negative (which the OP undoubtedly is) - its fine to keep an eye on our weaknesses...but don't believe you are beat before you get there :roll:


Tails,
You talk as if WE have some kind of influence on the players and their psyche.
This is a discussion board surrounding a Championship football club not a Dale Carnegie website doing a ra-ra to our players-that's the job of signor Capello and staff.
The topic was raised as an antidote to the usual mega hype that accompanies any England side about to enter a global competition.
BTW it's ability that gets you a World Cup win and not just positive thinking-look where all that positive thinking has got us since 1966 when I can tell you there were very few that thought we would win that World Cup even on home soil.
Good luck to England-IMHO we are going to need it.

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Re: World Cup-the form of our players

by Stranded » 30 Dec 2009 17:12

Glen Johnson has injured his medial ligament meaning he could well be out for a few months - could well mean the RB spot is up for grabs again.

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