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by papereyes » 11 Jan 2010 12:37
handbags_harris Another interesting and well-thought-out blog, although I don't agree with the sentiment. I would go in completely the opposite direction and completely de-seed the draws, so it makes it completely random at all stages. I also question why San Marino, Liechtenstein, Andorra etc should have to pre-qualify. I don't see what good that does. Yes it would lower the number of games, but the clubs don't run the game, the national FA's, UEFA, and FIFA do. In effect you're the clubs would deny the players of smaller countries the opportunity to play at the San Siro, Bernabeo, Wembley etc? Is that really fair? If you're successful you pay the price. Simple in my mind.
papereyes, on the 11th June Anyone who thought that countries like Ukraine and Croatia wouldn't end up being half-decent was a complete mongtard.
I did have the opinion of TBM and Dirk on this, but then I bothered to look at the countries we're talking about:
The 11 worst countries in UEFA consist of the least populous nations (every country with a side with a population of less than 1 million (Montenegro, Luxembourg, Malta, Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands, Andorra, San Marino) with two exceptions*; the next most populous country (Estonia) and three countries that lie to the East of the Black Sea (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazachstan)x.
*Iceland and Cyprus.
xGeorgia is the only other UEFA nation to the East of the Black sea
All three of these countries are in the next 6 of the FIFA rankings system - the bottom 17 nations in UEFA consist of the 10 smallest and 4 of the poorest.
And UEFA want to add Gibraltar into the mix.
If we were to organise a Thought Tournament, the 12 sides entering would be San Marino, Andorra, Faroe Islands, Liechtenstein, Malta, Azerbaijan, Kazachstan, Armenia, Luxembourg, Montenegro, Estonia, Moldova.
papereyes, on the 11th June They'd also get points by actually getting out of the pre-qualifying.
Further to that, every other confederation bar CONMEBOL does it. CONACAF does a caribbean pre-qualifying with the bigger teams coming in the second round to muller Barbados and the Bahamas.
I don't think Montenegro are going to stay as low as they are - although they haven't yet won in qualifying, they've a solid record 0-4-2 with defeats to only Italy in the group.
Have a suitably large number of pre-qualifiers (my suggestion was 4 from 12) and they get competitive games against teams of a similar standard. At the moment, they're not even being drawn against those teams because of the seeding system!
EDIT: current standings of these 12 countries (11th June)
Bottom of their group: Malta, Moldova, San Marino, Liechtenstein, Armenia, Andorra, Faroe Islands
Second Bottom: Azerbaijan, Kazachstan, Luxembourg, Montenegro, Estonia
by Archie's penalty » 11 Jan 2010 13:06
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by papereyes » 11 Jan 2010 14:07
Archie's penalty Way to clique of boredom general football Papes!
by Royalee » 11 Jan 2010 14:16
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by papereyes » 11 Jan 2010 14:28
Royalee Interesting stuff Papereyes - I just think that a pre-qualification stage might add to the interest for smaller nations, kind of in the same mindset as our fans who were of the opinion that relegation from the Premiership would make football more fun again as we might actually win games as opposed to fighting to keep our heads above water (how wrong they were!).
by handbags_harris » 11 Jan 2010 14:52
papereyesRoyalee Interesting stuff Papereyes - I just think that a pre-qualification stage might add to the interest for smaller nations, kind of in the same mindset as our fans who were of the opinion that relegation from the Premiership would make football more fun again as we might actually win games as opposed to fighting to keep our heads above water (how wrong they were!).
I agree.
I just think that the moment you look at the sizes of these countries, you realise what they're up against. 4 groups of 3 and the winners qualify to join the main pot (41 teams and that goes down to those giants of world football, Moldova) to give 45 teams - 9 groups of 5, winners qualify, playoffs if another 4-5 teams needed. Bingo bango bongo.
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