England vs Egypt

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Re: England vs Egypt

by BR2 » 04 Mar 2010 15:09

Vision playing Devil's advocate a bit but If Lampard had put away the sitter that Walcott's pace and final ball laid on a plate for him, his subsequent game and peoples attitude to him might be completely different.


Lampard does tend to smash the ball and although it might be a bit churlish to criticise somebody with his goalscoring rate he could be even better if he used a bit of craft at times.
He should look at a video of Kenny Dalglish and Rush's finishing to see that when a goalie spreads himself the cool thing to do is chip the keeper because he is already committed.
As you say Walcott MIGHT have grown in confidence and touch if that had put us 1-0 up but although I don't agree with Spacey and some of the others that he is ,as they put it,shit like a lot of wingers nowadays his crossing for club and country isn't that good.

Having grown up in an era when All top level wingers could cross a ball but some were quicker than others I find it strange that so many now can't and it makes Beckham look as though he is from a different planet when he only does what wingers of the good old days of black and white (film and TV that is,not players who were all white)could routinely do and could also run.
It's a shame that Bentley doesn't appear to have trained on for whatever reason but in fairness to Lennon his passing has become much better with age and Walcott,if nothing else,has a lot of time on his side.

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Re: England vs Egypt

by Hoop Blah » 04 Mar 2010 15:19

SKDD, re Joe Cole, I just think he's one of the few players we have that can beat and man and pick out a pass. He has more technical abiilty than most of the wingers put together, but he's just not quite got the pace or inclination to play out wide. I still think he's worth his place though, and it's a shame that he's never really been played in what must be his natural position (behind the fron two/one as he has done, and excelled, for Chelsea a few times).

BR, fair point on the wingers, and on the make up of the squad. I'm a firm believer that we don't need that 8th defender and so it should be 3 keeper, 7 defenders, 8 midfielders and 5 forwards (even if Joe Cole is that 5th forward perhaps). It's generally the attacking players that win you games, so having the widest choice must be a good thing.

I really hoped Young would get his chance and that Bentley would kick on at Spurs but it just hasn't happened for either of them.

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Re: England vs Egypt

by Ian Royal » 04 Mar 2010 21:44

I just do't think we have anything approaching a team based on that performance. Fair enough, ignore defence. But midfield was just a bunch of individuals.

I detest the idea of Lampard and Gerrard playing in the same team. Grow some balls, pick one and use the other as a sub. They fulfill the same role.

Really like the look of Milner, has to go given his versatility. Barry and Carrick again for me perform the same role, if not in completely the same way.

Liked the look of SWP. He's a tryer and will cause problems simply by having ago even if he does lack a little in finesse. Lennon and Walcott are simply sprinters and not good enough.

For me:

SWP, Barry, Gerrard, Milner
......Crouch, Rooney

Second choice:

Lennon, Carrick, Lampard, Cole
.......Heskey, Defoe

Oh, and I'd take Beckham and Owen for reliable and experienced, emergency back up.

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Re: England vs Egypt

by Ark Royal » 05 Mar 2010 01:15

Ian Royal I just do't think we have anything approaching a team based on that performance. Fair enough, ignore defence. But midfield was just a bunch of individuals.

I detest the idea of Lampard and Gerrard playing in the same team. Grow some balls, pick one and use the other as a sub. They fulfill the same role.

Really like the look of Milner, has to go given his versatility. Barry and Carrick again for me perform the same role, if not in completely the same way.

Liked the look of SWP. He's a tryer and will cause problems simply by having ago even if he does lack a little in finesse. Lennon and Walcott are simply sprinters and not good enough.

For me:

SWP, Barry, Gerrard, Milner
......Crouch, Rooney

Second choice:

Lennon, Carrick, Lampard, Cole
.......Heskey, Defoe

Oh, and I'd take Beckham and Owen for reliable and experienced, emergency back up.


Owen is made of balsa wood and is way past his sell-by date. He will not be going.

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Re: England vs Egypt

by Big Foot » 05 Mar 2010 08:46

Ian Royal I just do't think we have anything approaching a team based on that performance. Fair enough, ignore defence. But midfield was just a bunch of individuals.

I detest the idea of Lampard and Gerrard playing in the same team. Grow some balls, pick one and use the other as a sub. They fulfill the same role.

Really like the look of Milner, has to go given his versatility. Barry and Carrick again for me perform the same role, if not in completely the same way.

Liked the look of SWP. He's a tryer and will cause problems simply by having ago even if he does lack a little in finesse. Lennon and Walcott are simply sprinters and not good enough.

For me:

SWP, Barry, Gerrard, Milner
......Crouch, Rooney

Second choice:

Lennon, Carrick, Lampard, Cole
.......Heskey, Defoe

Oh, and I'd take Beckham and Owen for reliable and experienced, emergency back up.

How many assists has Lennon got this season?


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Re: England vs Egypt

by No Fixed Abode » 05 Mar 2010 09:40

Ian Royal I just do't think we have anything approaching a team based on that performance. Fair enough, ignore defence. But midfield was just a bunch of individuals.

I detest the idea of Lampard and Gerrard playing in the same team. Grow some balls, pick one and use the other as a sub. They fulfill the same role.

Really like the look of Milner, has to go given his versatility. Barry and Carrick again for me perform the same role, if not in completely the same way.

Liked the look of SWP. He's a tryer and will cause problems simply by having ago even if he does lack a little in finesse. Lennon and Walcott are simply sprinters and not good enough.

For me:

SWP, Barry, Gerrard, Milner
......Crouch, Rooney

Second choice:

Lennon, Carrick, Lampard, Cole
.......Heskey, Defoe

Oh, and I'd take Beckham and Owen for reliable and experienced, emergency back up.


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Re: England vs Egypt

by TheMaraudingDog » 05 Mar 2010 11:05

Good news is Hargreaves is due to play a reserve game next week, bad news Owen out till May but should be fit for World Cup. Anyway, here's my 11:


Foster
G Nev - Brown - Rio - P Nev
Hargreaves - Carrick - Scholes - Wellbeck
Rooney - Owen

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Re: England vs Egypt

by No Fixed Abode » 05 Mar 2010 11:30

TheMaraudingDog Good news is Hargreaves is due to play a reserve game next week, bad news Owen out till May but should be fit for World Cup. Anyway, here's my 11:


Foster
G Nev - Brown - Rio - P Nev
Hargreaves - Carrick - Scholes - Wellbeck
Rooney - Owen


:lol:

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Re: England vs Egypt

by TheMaraudingDog » 05 Mar 2010 11:39

If that team went up against the rest of England I'd back it to win.


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Re: England vs Egypt

by Hoop Blah » 05 Mar 2010 14:05

TheMaraudingDog If that team went up against the rest of England I'd back it to win.


vs

James
Johnson Terry Woodgate Cole
Cole Barry Lampard Milner
Gerrard
Crouch

I know where my money would go...

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Re: England vs Egypt

by TheMaraudingDog » 05 Mar 2010 14:24

Hoop Blah
TheMaraudingDog If that team went up against the rest of England I'd back it to win.


vs

James
Johnson Terry Woodgate Cole
Cole Barry Lampard Milner
Gerrard
Crouch

I know where my money would go...


One team has 11 Champions League medals between them (13 at a push) and the other has 1 (2 at a push) so I’d have to agree with you m8.

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Re: England vs Egypt

by Ark Royal » 05 Mar 2010 14:25

Ian Royal I just do't think we have anything approaching a team based on that performance. Fair enough, ignore defence. But midfield was just a bunch of individuals.

I detest the idea of Lampard and Gerrard playing in the same team. Grow some balls, pick one and use the other as a sub. They fulfill the same role.

Really like the look of Milner, has to go given his versatility. Barry and Carrick again for me perform the same role, if not in completely the same way.

Liked the look of SWP. He's a tryer and will cause problems simply by having ago even if he does lack a little in finesse. Lennon and Walcott are simply sprinters and not good enough.

For me:

SWP, Barry, Gerrard, Milner
......Crouch, Rooney

Second choice:

Lennon, Carrick, Lampard, Cole
.......Heskey, Defoe

Oh, and I'd take Beckham and Owen for reliable and experienced, emergency back up.


...and Owen is ruled out for the rest of the season. 'Nuff said.

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Re: England vs Egypt

by Hoop Blah » 05 Mar 2010 14:53

TheMaraudingDog
Hoop Blah
TheMaraudingDog If that team went up against the rest of England I'd back it to win.


vs

James
Johnson Terry Woodgate Cole
Cole Barry Lampard Milner
Gerrard
Crouch

I know where my money would go...


One team has 11 Champions League medals between them (13 at a push) and the other has 1 (2 at a push) so I’d have to agree with you m8.


I know, it's funny how some poor players can achieve such success!

Any team that contains both Nevilles, Wellbeck and a couple of crocks past their best is going to struggle against the best of the rest (which I'd possible go for King instead of Terry just to even up the crocks!).

Out of interest, how many league appearances does your Utd past and present have this season?


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