england - the next generation

[AthleticoSpizz]

-----------------------------------------Joe Hart---------------------------------------

Micah Richards----------James Tomkins----------Chris Smalling-----Ryan Bertrand

----Dan Gosling-------Jack Rodwell----------Jack Wilshere----------Adam Johnson----

--------------------Nathan Delfouneso-----------Daniel Sturridge--------------------


Quality.

Weak as piss.

and 1-1, 0-0, 1-0, 1-4 is obviously a glowing testement to the macho England

[AbovetheI]

Scott Loach
Joe Hart
Cranie
Onouha
Gibbs
Muamba
Walcott
Johnson
Stephen Taylor
Noble
Ashley Young
Agbonlahor

...all quality young players coming through.

[Hoop Blah]

I asked a very similar question a while back, before this squad failed to turn up.

http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=98008&p=2549544&hilit=cattermole#p2549544

I agree with those who've said we can't just ditch the majority of this squad to start playing players who aren't as good as them BUT at the same time we do need to start being realistic and building for the future. We should learn from the mistake of Hart, like Carson before him, not being given a bit of experience in the team and then having to go back to the likes of Green when James was injured.

Some of the names that cropped up in my original thread were the obvious ones like Johnson, Walcot, Wilshire. Interesting other ones that came out were Smalling, Rodwell (who could be the best of the next generation), Delph, Cattermole, Sturridge,.

From the current squad I'd expect the likes of Hart, Ferdinand, Terry, Johnson, Cole, Gerrard, Milner, Rooney, Defoe and Crouch to be core members for the Euro qualifiers but I do think we need to move on from the likes of Barry (who I've always rated but I think is now one to be replaced), Lampard, Heskey.

Bring in the younger players, give them their experience and trust them to play in and around the best of the older heads.

[From Despair To Where?]

I asked a very similar question a while back, before this squad failed to turn up.

http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=98008&p=2549544&hilit=cattermole#p2549544

I agree with those who've said we can't just ditch the majority of this squad to start playing players who aren't as good as them BUT at the same time we do need to start being realistic and building for the future. We should learn from the mistake of Hart, like Carson before him, not being given a bit of experience in the team and then having to go back to the likes of Green when James was injured.

Some of the names that cropped up in my original thread were the obvious ones like Johnson, Walcot, Wilshire. Interesting other ones that came out were Smalling, Rodwell (who could be the best of the next generation), Delph, Cattermole, Sturridge,.

From the current squad I'd expect the likes of Hart, Ferdinand, Terry, Johnson, Cole, Gerrard, Milner, Rooney, Defoe and Crouch to be core members for the Euro qualifiers but I do think we need to move on from the likes of Barry (who I've always rated but I think is now one to be replaced), Lampard, Heskey.

Bring in the younger players, give them their experience and trust them to play in and around the best of the older heads.

Interesting that it's exactly what the Germans have done in every tournament for the past 10 years, blood 4 or 5 young players in the squad who go on to be key players. A far cry from Euro 2000 where both England and Germany flopped badly with aging squads. The Germans seemed to have learned from it.

Admittedly the problems go deeper than that and the root of it IMO lies in the overdependance on foreign players in the Premier League, whereby younger players generally do not get a chance at the highest level.

[Messiah]

Agree changes are needed, but it's a real concern looking at what we have coming through at the moment. Optimism for the future? None.

[Barry the bird boggler]

U-17 UEFA European Champions 2010.... England

Jack Butland
Bruno Pilatos
Luke Garbutt
Conor Coady
Nathaniel Chalobah
Andre Wisdom
Will Keane
George Thorne
Benik Afobe
Rob Hall
Josh McEachran
Tom Thorpe
Ross Barkley
Connor Wickham
Sam Johnstone
Saido Berahino
Ben Gibson
Luke Williams

So, one wonders how long it'll be before these players get "damaged" by Premier League clubs....

[Thomas L'Heureux]

Don't think his name's been mentioned but I rate Lee Cattermole and think he's the sort of midfielder England could do with.

[Hoop Blah]

Don't think his name's been mentioned but I rate Lee Cattermole and think he's the sort of midfielder England could do with.

Totally agree, and I did mention him in the other thread as one I could see coming into things for the next Euro/WC campaign.

I do wonder if it's just a perception thing, or if it's because we have more foreigners both clogging up squads and hopefully raising standards, but 10 years ago I'm sure we had more promising players coming through in our club sides.

With all the work thats gone into setting up and regulating the Academies and the coaching structure it doesn't seem to have made a hell of a lot of difference at the top level yet.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

Wish i could find my posts from 2.5 years ago. I said Roy Hodgson was the man to take over from Capello, but was rediculed for this due to his time at Blackburn. He's now done a decent job at Fulham, but thats far from his best achievements in the game. And now it seems hes the man for the job.

But, we could appoint the biggest football genius coach in World Football out there (and Capello is about as close to that as you get) and it wont make a jot of difference. It will just be the same old problems. We have essentially been sh1t in every tournament weve played in away from homesoil. Short of tearing up the English game and starting again, that will never change.

[brendywendy]

is it worth tearing up the english game to do?
if so i say lets do it

[Hoop Blah]

Wish i could find my posts from 2.5 years ago. I said Roy Hodgson was the man to take over from Capello, but was rediculed for this due to his time at Blackburn. He's now done a decent job at Fulham, but thats far from his best achievements in the game. And now it seems hes the man for the job.

But, we could appoint the biggest football genius coach in World Football out there (and Capello is about as close to that as you get) and it wont make a jot of difference. It will just be the same old problems. We have essentially been sh1t in every tournament weve played in away from homesoil. Short of tearing up the English game and starting again, that will never change.

That last bit just isn't true though is it?

1970 we were one of the top teams. More recently in '86, '90, '98 World Cups we've played well for the majority of our games and progressed to a reasonable stage.

We do have expectations of the team to put in performances every game that they're just not going to do, but then what team does? Even the Brazilans, Germans, Spanish and Italians have dodgy games and dodgy tournaments.

This was the worst performance I remember though, and Sven's trip to Japan wasn't a whole lot better either but we did still make it to a respectable quarter final place despite early poor form (which affects most teams to be fair).

I don't think it's an age old problem facing us recently, it's a new thing from the last 6-10 years of player power and ego's over and above their station.

[M Brook]

U-17 UEFA European Champions 2010.... England

Jack Butland
Bruno Pilatos
Luke Garbutt
Conor Coady
Nathaniel Chalobah
Andre Wisdom
Will Keane
George Thorne
Benik Afobe
Rob Hall
Josh McEachran
Tom Thorpe
Ross Barkley
Connor Wickham
Sam Johnstone
Saido Berahino
Ben Gibson
Luke Williams

So, one wonders how long it'll be before these players get "damaged" by Premier League clubs....

Just like Theo has been.

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

People said this 4 years ago and Beckham is still our best winger.

These mythical young ens. Lennon/SWP/Wallcott/Bentley

[Maguire]

lol@the small-mindedness of demanding an English coach

Like Keegan, McClaren or Graham Taylor for example :-/

[Royal Lady]

I too think Beckham is being groomed for some sort of role - though I can't believe it would be to be manager - but maybe in 10 years after doing his coaching badges etc - maybe managing a lower league club etc - he could turn out to be manager of the England team. There is some reason why he was asked to go along with the team, despite being injured. I think it's his pride and passion tbh.

It's a pity the FA can't cherry pick some up and coming youngsters, "loan" them to Premiership or foreign clubs for a few months of a season to get some top level experience and then the England manager has them for the rest of the season to work with, as a team. But, I know it will never happen.

[PEARCEY]

lol@the small-mindedness of demanding an English coach

Like Keegan, McClaren or Graham Taylor for example :-/

Or like Sir Alf Ramsey.

Its not small-minded preferring an England coach if you think that coach is as good as any othr candidates. Roy Hodgson fits the ball.

[Super_horns]

Anyone who can get the players going as they seem unable to motivate themselves..

[Wax Jacket]

we should do what the cricket team do and just pinch the best foreign players

[sheshnu]

we should do what the Germans do and just pinch the best foreign players

[Ian Royal]

Whatever happens, the most important thing to do is to pick a team of players based on the blend of their attributes, qualities and the balance it gives the team

Football is a team sport and we see again and again at international and club level over here that you can't put a winning team together just by throwing a dozen extremely talented players together.

You have to build the team based on teamwork. Make sure the important pairs work well together, and in the team as a whole. Pairs like right wing and fullback, left wing and full back, centrebacks, central midfield & strikers, if you are playing a 4-4-2.

I know it's out of fashion, but taking a step back looking at our squad we should have at least considered playing 3-5-2. We had two great pacey attacking fullbacks who were weaker in defence and no decent wingers. We had loads of central midfielders. I'm not saying it would have worked, but at least try it in a friendly.

Lampard and Gerrard have been the worst thing to happen to England's chances in the last 5 - 10 years IMO. We've spent so long trying to crowbar them into the same team just because they're both really good we've never actually put together a team.