england - the next generation

[Maguire]

lol@the small-mindedness of demanding an English coach

Like Keegan, McClaren or Graham Taylor for example :-/

Or like Sir Alf Ramsey.

Its not small-minded preferring an England coach if you think that coach is as good as any othr candidates. Roy Hodgson fits the ball.

If they're as good as any other candidates then they deserve the job - that's just hiring on merit.

Pickign an inferior coach because he's English is barmy and populist choices (like Keegan, who was clueless) should be a thing of the past.

[Ian Royal]

lol@the small-mindedness of demanding an English coach

Like Keegan, McClaren or Graham Taylor for example :-/

Or like Sir Alf Ramsey.

Its not small-minded preferring an England coach if you think that coach is as good as any othr candidates. Roy Hodgson fits the ball.

Nor is it small minded to think that the manager should have the same selection criteria. It is the national side.

The fact is we don't have enough good managers for the same reason we don't have enough good players. We import far to many foreign ones and don't give English talent the chance to develop enough in big enough numbers.

And for some reason we still think we should be world beaters, when we are simply a mediocre big footballing country. That means few manager's get a chance to learn from their mistakes because they are sacked the instant they fail at something.

[Victor Meldrew]

Beckam/Pearce dream ticket

Quite the thickest pairing you could ever come up with-I presume you meant to

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

I think our former friend sums it up well.

http://www.bcfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0 ... 58,00.html

[rfcjoe]

God, I <3 that guy.

[Gordons Cumming]

The next England team should have the passing skills of the Mexicans, directness of the Germans and the finishing of the Brazilians/Argentinians.

Easy

(Just need to sort out a few passports!)

[Tony Le Mesmer]

Wish i could find my posts from 2.5 years ago. I said Roy Hodgson was the man to take over from Capello, but was rediculed for this due to his time at Blackburn. He's now done a decent job at Fulham, but thats far from his best achievements in the game. And now it seems hes the man for the job.

But, we could appoint the biggest football genius coach in World Football out there (and Capello is about as close to that as you get) and it wont make a jot of difference. It will just be the same old problems. We have essentially been sh1t in every tournament weve played in away from homesoil. Short of tearing up the English game and starting again, that will never change.

That last bit just isn't true though is it?

1970 we were one of the top teams. More recently in '86, '90, '98 World Cups we've played well for the majority of our games and progressed to a reasonable stage.

Really? Might make an exception for 98 even though we only made the last 16. Thats the best England team ive seen and they were just unlucky.

86? 2 dire performances against low ranked teams before beating Poland and Paraguay who wernt much better? deserved to go out in the 1st rnd. 90? we won 1 match ffs. & that was 1-0 v Egypt. We were unlucky v Germany in the semi but very very lucky to get that far. 88, 92 & 2000? Utter dump. the 3 tournaments under Eiksson were OK but we never looked like winners. 74,78,84,94,08 couldnt even qualify. So with the exception of Euro 96, we have not had a good tournament we looked like we were going to win.

[Hoop Blah]

Personally I think that's a tad harsh.

Not many teams go into a tournament and play pretty football, win all the games they should and either win the thing or go down in a blaze of glory. At the end of the day, once we've qualified, we've pretty much achieved what we should do and played some good stuff along the way at times.

People always talk of the likes of German growing into tournaments, that's what we did in some of those and we usually go out to the better teams not just some micky mouse outfits.

Expecting us to go there and be this example of football greatness to the rest of the world is the kind of false expectation that hinders the team by putting too much pressure on them.

We could always do better of course, but I don't think we've been as bad as you say, but then it's only a matter of opininon and perspective.

[Hoop Blah]

I thought Jack Wilshire had a decent game against Milan today.

The next few months are a big chance for him to really launch his career.

[Hoop Blah]

I thought Jack Wilshire had a decent game against Milan today.

The next few months are a big chance for him to really launch his career.

Did even better in their second game by all accounts.

Reminds me a lot of Paul Scholes so far.

[winchester_royal]

The best thing about Wilshere is his desire to receive the ball from deep, and then look forwards, rather than just laying it off to the other defender ala Barry and Lampard.

Capello should be looking to integrate this guy into the senior team now, so that come 2012 he's ready to take the Euro's by storm.

[Big Foot]

He does need to play consistently this season too, he did relatively well on loan at Bolton and so a loan move to another top flight team would be best for him I think

[comeonyouroyals]

-----------------------------------------Joe Hart---------------------------------------

Micah Richards----------James Tomkins----------Chris Smalling-----Ryan Bertrand

----Dan Gosling-------Jack Rodwell----------[b]Jack Wilshere[/b]----------Adam Johnson----

--------------------Nathan Delfouneso-----------Daniel Sturridge--------------------


Quality.

Too many of those are nowhere near to getting first team football.

Seems to have made a impact all though not many people forsore that.

It was all nice talking about the next generation but after one friendly alot off those players don't even get mentioned near the squad.

[Hoop Blah]

Not being totally convinced with the left backs coming through at the moment I'm keeping an eye on Keiran Richardson's performances for Sunderland.

He looked so comfortable in an England shirt when he debuted years ago, and is obviously decent on the ball and going forward he could be (if Bruce can get him defending responsibly) the best understuding and eventual heir to Cole.

Anyone seen much of him this season?

[Victor Meldrew]

The games I have seen he has played left midfield with Bardsley (a right-back) playing behind him at left-back so presumably Bruce doesn't want to play him there.
Gibbs at Arsenal looks to be the heir apparent for the left-back slot even though he doesn't get a regular game for Arsenal and does tend to pick up a lot of minor injuries.

[Ginger Ninjas]

The games I have seen he has played left midfield with Bardsley (a right-back) playing behind him at left-back so presumably Bruce doesn't want to play him there.
Gibbs at Arsenal looks to be the heir apparent for the left-back slot even though he doesn't get a regular game for Arsenal and does tend to pick up a lot of minor injuries.

Agree with that, Gibbs looked good on his England debut.

From the season so far, Albrighton is rapidly establishing himself as a genuine contender for a right midfield slot, especially as he seems to be able to deliver a final ball reguarly (pay attention SWP and Lennon).

[Hoop Blah]

I'm just not convinced by Gibbs. He doesn't seem strong enough (time on his side of course) and needs to be playing more if he's going to progress. He might do that in the next couple of years of course, but I don't see him getting a consistent run of games whilst he and Clichy are at the same club.

It's Bruce that's told Richardson his Sunderland future is at left back so he obviously sees something there and I know he's played him at left back at times, I've just not seen a whole of him there, and certainly not in person or even live on TV as yet. Perhaps other left side options were missing and so he was reverted back to midfield during those games, and I do remember seeing Bardsley at left back too now you mention it VM.

For me Baines is still some way ahead of Gibbs, but Cole still quite some distance from them and the other options like Warnock. I'm just hoping a genuine fullback appears pretty soon (or Gibbs/Baines fulfil their potential of course).

[Franchise FC]

The next England team should have the passing skills of the Mexicans, directness of the Germans and the finishing of the Brazilians/Argentinians.

Easy

(Just need to sort out a few passports!)

Joke or not - this is the best chance of making a decent England team - insist that any players coming through the academies qualify for England. Then what Wenger & Ferguson do with the kids will actually help rather than hinder the national team.

[Hoop Blah]

So the next glimpse of the next generation comes up on Wednesday and I sense a total lack of interest....

I think the squad now looks like this

Robert Green, Joe Hart, David Stockdale

Leighton Baines, Gary Cahill, Ashley Cole, Michael Dawson, Glen Johnson, Joleon Lescott, John Terry, Kyle Walker

Gareth Barry, Stewart Downing, Frank Lampard, James Milner, Scott Parker, Theo Walcott, Jack Wilshere, Ashley Young

Gabriel Agbonlahor, Darren Bent, Jermain Defoe, Wayne Rooney, Carlton Cole

It doesn't fill me with much excitment I must admit, but I'm hoping that the likes of Cahill, Wilshire and Young are all given a chance to stake a claim. Interesting to see Walker get a call up. He and Naughton (?) both looked very good prospects before moving to the Premier League a bit too quickly but with Richards not kicking on there is definitely room for someone to challenge the disappointing Johnson for the right back spot.

I'm hoping Capello gets the mix of old heads and youngsters right and doesn't just start the old boys and then throw a few young'uns on for the second half ala Sven's way of doing things.

[Hoop Blah]

Pleasing to see both Smalling and Richards have good games this afternoon.

I still like Richards, if he can make the right back his own, and if Smalling can play to that kind of standard week in week out he'll step up from the U21s in no time. I can still see him and Cahil being a well suited pair in a year or so's time.