Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

[Snowball]

So now clubs value players based on the Actim index? Long must be worth about £3.52 then.......

NOPE, but two separate methods of valuing players come to similar conclusions


Isn't it strange that Bothroyd and Taarabt are in the top three?

What kind of crap system picks THEM out eh?

[Stranded]

In other words, you have no idea where Shane Long is currently ranked?

[Wycombe Royal]

The problem with the actim stats are that they are heavily weighted in favour of those players who play the most, as it is not an average rating over the number of matches they play but a total (cumulative) rating. That in itself makes it not a good system.

[Wycombe Royal]

So now clubs value players based on the Actim index? Long must be worth about £3.52 then.......

NOPE, but two separate methods of valuing players come to similar conclusions


Isn't it strange that Bothroyd and Taarabt are in the top three?

What kind of crap system picks THEM out eh?

Evena crap system would include two of the top scorers and assisters in the division.

[cmonurz]

It's not strange that those two are at the top, Snowball, because they have scored a lot of goals - especially, as I already highlighted, Actim has been criticised previously for favouring attacking statistics.

I'm not going to be bothered to analyse it, but I'd wager that the defenders in the list are more often than not those with a goal or two this season (I notice Mills and Harte for us, but not Zurab or Pearce, for example).

Out of interest, where does Shane Long fit into the Actim index at this present time. And how many strikers are there currently in the top 100?

Worth highlighting your point that these are aggregate stats, that discriminate against those that have played fewer games. As Long has played a lot, I'm surprised he doesn't feature.

[Wimb]

Where is Shane Long ranked Snowball m8, you haven't come up with it yet

[Snowball]

It's not strange that those two are at the top, Snowball, because they have scored a lot of goals - especially, as I already highlighted, Actim has been criticised previously for favouring attacking statistics.

Oh why didn't you SAY, that explains EVERYTHING

11 Goals = Position 01 in Actim Index Bothroyd
06 Goals = Position 03 in Actim Index Taarabt

Oh you must be right..... EXCEPT

09 Goals = Position 26 Kris Commons, Derby

Three goals, 150% of Taarabt's score but 23 positions lower in the Actim Index.

08 Goals = Position 19 Chris Iwelumo, Burnley
08 Goals = Position 15 Lewis McGugan, Burnley

It's not going well for your theory, is it, Padders?

Maybe this will help?

07 Goals = Position SEVENTY-EIGHTH (Parkin, Preston)

Yes that's right MORE GOALS than Taarabt and a mere SEVENTY-FIVE places below him.
Yes, you're right, they just simply put the goal-scorers up top.

Er, nope.


OK then how about we just look at the players who've scored six goals, same as Taarabt? That fair?

06 Goals = Position 03 Adel Taarabt, QPR
06 Goals = Position 37 Andy Hammill, Barnsley
06 Goals = Position 50 Billy Sharp, Doncaster
06 Goals = Position 83 David Somma, Leeds United

EIGHTY-THIRD place, same number of goals as the guy in 3rd.

Yes, it's OBVIOUS, they just give loads of marks for goals, end of.

[Snowball]

Where is Shane Long ranked Snowball m8, you haven't come up with it yet

I answered that

[Stranded]

They do give "lots of marks" for goals but if you think for one seconed cmonurz was suggesting that's the be all and end all then I worry about your sanity.

[Stranded]

The six calculations which generate the Actim Index are:

Calculation 1 – Assesses a player's contribution to a winning team, based on points won by the team when he has appeared

Calculation 2 – Assesses a player's performance in each game by allocating points for actions that positively contribute to a winning performance such as shots, tackles, clearances and saves. It also takes points away from players for negative actions such as yellow/red cards and shots off target

Calculation 3 – Allocates points based on time on the pitch

Calculation 4 – Allocates points for goal scorers

Calculation 5 – Allocates points for assists

Calculation 6 – Allocates points for clean sheets

They do not give any guide as to how these are calculations are done though. I'm not sure how many points you lose for a shot off target but that could well be affecting Common's overall position despite his goals.

[Snowball]

They do give "lots of marks" for goals but if you think for one seconed cmonurz was suggesting that's the be all and end all then I worry about your sanity.

Bill Hooks

It's not strange that those two are at the top, Snowball, because they have scored a lot of goals - especially, as I already highlighted, Actim has been criticised previously for favouring attacking statistics.



and a man scoring the same number of goals as Taarabt is EIGHTY places behind him

and a man scoring MORE goals than Taarabt is 75 places behind him


I know what he said, and meant

[Stranded]

No you don't, you think you do.

[Snowball]

They do not give any guide as to how these are calculations are done though. I'm not sure how many points you lose for a shot off target but that could well be affecting Common's overall position despite his goals.

They do not give any guide as to how these are calculations are done though.

I'm not sure how many points you lose for a shot off target (IF ANY) but that could well be affecting (or not affecting) Common's overall position despite his goals. I don't know, of course, but I'll woffle for a little while.

[Snowball]

Maybe, Stranded you could explain Parkin in 75th

is it cos I is fat?

[Stranded]

They do not give any guide as to how these are calculations are done though. I'm not sure how many points you lose for a shot off target but that could well be affecting Common's overall position despite his goals.

They do not give any guide as to how these are calculations are done though.

I'm not sure how many points you lose for a shot off target (IF ANY) but that could well be affecting (or not affecting) Common's overall position despite his goals. I don't know, of course, but I'll woffle for a little while.

Calculation 2 states - It also takes points away from players for negative actions such as yellow/red cards and shots off target

So a - you do lose points and (b) this will therefore have affected his position in some way.

Thank you.

[Stranded]

Maybe, Stranded you could explain Parkin in 75th

is it cos I is fat?

Not with any great certainty no. Going on the few facts I have, I would say his 6 yellow cards have impacted his score.

The fact that he has only started 10 and appeared in 13 of the 16 league games will also have had a big effect as it is a cumulative total not an average (and mins on the pitch is a scoring factor).

[Snowball]

Calculation 2 states - It also takes points away from players for negative actions such as yellow/red cards and shots off target

So a - you do lose points and (b) this will therefore have affected his position in some way.

Thank you.

Parkin's shooting is AMAZING 18 ON 10 Off 64% when typical is 50% for 7 Goals.

6 Yellow cards, no reds.

Bothroyd has had 5 yellows, his accuracy is 63%


So not accuracy then, not really cards. Is cos ee is fat innit?

[cmonurz]

Continuing to treat everyone who disagrees with you as a naughty schoolchild isn't doing you any favours, Snowball.

As Stranded said, you don't know what I meant, and my general point was that you would expect attackers with more goals to be near the top of the index. That's not all inclusive, Parkin is an example of someone has goals, but presumably more shots off target/bookings whatever.

You didn't answer my point about goalscoring defenders. I'm not surprised.

You didn't answer my question as to where Long is in the Actim index. I'm not surprised about that either. Fact is, if the index didn't discriminate towards attacking play like goals and assists, then you'd expect Long to be up there, given the contribution you claim he makes outside of those stats. But I don't see him in the top 100. How many strikers are there in the top 100?

[Stranded]

Calculation 2 states - It also takes points away from players for negative actions such as yellow/red cards and shots off target

So a - you do lose points and (b) this will therefore have affected his position in some way.

Thank you.

Parkin's shooting is AMAZING 18 ON 10 Off 64% when typical is 50% for 7 Goals.

6 Yellow cards, no reds.

Bothroyd has had 5 yellows, his accuracy is 63%


So not accuracy then, not really cards. Is cos ee is fat innit?

Calculation 1 will also have a major impact

Assesses a player's contribution to a winning team, based on points won by the team when he has appeared


When playing Bothroyd has helped Cardiff pick up 30 points, Parkin 11 for Preston.

[Hoop Blah]

Maybe, Stranded you could explain Parkin in 75th

is it cos I is fat?

Not with any great certainty no. Going on the few facts I have, I would say his 6 yellow cards have impacted his score.

The fact that he has only started 10 and appeared in 13 of the 16 league games will also have had a big effect as it is a cumulative total not an average (and mins on the pitch is a scoring factor).

Preston are second from bottom in the league and have only won 4 games.

Actim rewards contributions to winning games doesn't it? If the team aren't doing well it would appear that their system penalises the individual for the teams results.