Richard Keys and Andy Gray

[Bandini]

At the end of the day, football is the winner.

[Victor Meldrew]

At the end of the day, football is the winner.

Or is it a game of two half-wits?

[Bandini]

"I'm sorry for Sian Massey. I'm not sorry for myself, I can stand up and take a beating as much as the next guy."

Brilliant.

[Bandini]

He did it in order to relax Matt Murray.

[prostak]

Bandini - can I presume you're listening through to the clip for the first time?

[Royal Rother]

What views are you on about your holiness?
My view is that people who work together very quickly establish a rapport and know the boundaries,it's called getting on with people- try to understand how people get on in relationships and you might get a more pragmatic sense of what goes on in the world rather than what should go on in the world,especially that modern world that you pontificate about.
You also do seem too easily shocked as demonstrated by overuse of the emoticom.

Stop acting like a buffoon.

What actually went on in the world last weekend was that 2 sexist idiots called into question a young lady's ability to do a job that is normally done by men. They got caught. Loyalty? Do me a favour. Their employers cannot afford to have their image tarnished by continuing to employ people with such views when they are known to the world at large. And nor should they. The fact they would have undoubtedly known of their views and attitudes previously and chosen not to do anything about it is shame on them of course.

As for workplace relationships - almost entirely irrelevant as we don't know how Jackie Chapman (?) viewed Andy Gray's pathetic little gag but it is quite likely she would have been disgusted by it. For a 55 year old bloke of pretty considerable power to pull that one on a 25 year old woman somewhere near the bottom of her profession is rank. Whether she truly thought nothing of it, can you not see that that, when added to his views on women officials in football paint a picture of an out of date, unacceptably ignorant bloke totally unsuited to being a figurehead of an organisation like SkySports?

No, I very much doubt you can, you old dinosaur.

Time for me to move on.

[SLAMMED]

I've always liked Richard Keys, and listening to that interview on Talksport, I don't really think he could have come across in any other way.

But then obviously all of you who are passing judgement on him have never made a sexist remark ever.

[Bandini]

Yep, bit late to the party, prostak.

[prostak]

I just ask as I enjoyed the reaction indicated by your posting over its duration. It helped me to relive the cringing horror.

[Royal With Cheese]

And he's resigned. I cannot confirm how realxed Matt Murray is about this.

[cmonurz]

NTA mentioned above - Top Gear presenters made light of the Sky row by saying that if they had a fourth, female, presenter, 'she would have to be really fit'.

Triple sacking this morning?

[brendywendy]

an england where a man could belittle women whenever he pleased, beat his wife, and still expect his dinner on the table when he got home from work.ahhhhhh what a country that was

you know what i mean Brendy, because we both know that in our lifetime that isnt really the case (generally i mean).

The way this country and others are going we wont be allowed to have a piss in our own homes with fear of getting the sack or getting sued.

just messing around. should have included a winking emoticon!

[Seal]

I was at a work do last night and there were a couple of sports journos there who had some interesting insights into this whole affair.

The basic summary was Gray, Key and Jeff Shreves, are a bunch of arrogant c@nts...especially when all three of them were together. They have made a number of enemies over the years at Sky, and the senior guys at Sky had already considered a longer term plan to replace them.

One of the enemies they made was Barney Francis, who became MD of Sky Sports not long ago. He did a great job in cricket and as a result got the top job despite very limited football experience. Gray, Keys & Shreves were very dismissive of him, and apparently blatantly rude to him when he first got the job and wanted to learn more about football. People like that don't forget, so it''s not surprise that they've found support very hard to come by.

It also explains why there appears to have been a systematic release of these clips of Keys & Gray. People have kept these things on file for a long time, and have clearly been given the authority to release them now.

Apparently Francis was the one who brought in Ben Shepherd, so don't be surprised if you see him in Richard Keys chair soon. Also expect to see Gray & Keys pairing up on Talksport, that last bastion of the sexist male...

[Red]

Sounds about spot on Seal.

[brendywendy]

Obviously not read all that and find the whole thing a bit meh really. The sexism in sport arguement bores me a little bit to be honest. We all know its there, it probably shouldn't be, it probably always will be. I'm from the "oh well, just get on with it" opinion.

Stupid more than anything to get caught saying it. Surely they've worked in TV long enough to know people may still be recording them.

As for sexual harrassment at work, personally I think it depends massively on the relationship between staff.
Yesterday a male teacher heard me say to a student "come and see me after school and we'll go through your coursework". After the kid had gone he said "can I come and see you after school and go through you?". Not harrassment in my book as I'm good friends with him and give as much banter as get. If some other members of staff had said it

Well said Susie-tell that to people like brendy and RR who live in their own dreamworld that they call this modern world and in which they never say anything bordering on risque and look down on the rest of mankind from their lofty perches and fail to see that there is anything wrong in those that tell teacher.

lol at you you big nobcheese!
im not saying i havent say stuff like this occasionally, what im saying is if i did it at work, id b e put through a disciplinary, probably sacked-for the tuck this in comments, and i wouldnt have much cause to feel hard done by.cos it would be fair enough. 's all.
the fact is, if i was in a room full of cameras and microphones, i would never have said it
if it was to someone i wasnt really familiar with i wouldnt have said it.
and if i was sacked i wouldnt be moaning

[brendywendy]

Also - I've now listened to Keys whole interview with talksport

(can be found here http://www.juicefm.com/news?id=25877 if anyone's interested)

He comes across as a nasty, angry and arrogant little man who is simply sorry he got caught, not actually sorry at all. Didn't really have a view on him before this whole sexism thing kicked off but I'm beginning to really dislike him now.

Just listening to it all now. You've got to agree with Keys on the Karen Brady episode. But yes, his tone isn't too apologetic. In fact, my defence of him has slightly lowered.

Yes agree with him about Brady - and ordinarily it would be quite amusing - but the fact he's used this interview to lay into her shows what a nasty piece of work he is.

quite liked her reply of - i didnt have time to pick up the phone due to all the cups of tea i have to make and all the washing up.

[brendywendy]

I can just see ITV sacking those bints from Loose Women for implying men don't do enough around the house. Watching the NTA's now some of the stuff they're saying is far worse than Keys and Gray, yet nobody will accuse them of sexism because it's a one way street.

bollox- if , on air, or off, the loose women harassed a male camera man, and he complained, theyd go just as much as gray and keys

[brendywendy]

I've always liked Richard Keys, and listening to that interview on Talksport, I don't really think he could have come across in any other way.

But then obviously all of you who are passing judgement on him have never made a sexist remark ever.

sounded like a c*nt to me.
i agree he couldnt come across otherwise. cos he is a c*nt

[Red]

He kept saying "I've apologised" but seemed to really struggle throughout the whole 40 minutes to actually do so.

He could have come in sheepish, said I've been an idiot and I'm very sorry. What you got was a 40 minute rant about how this is all so unfair.

So can't agree SLAMMED, can't agree at all.

[brendywendy]

He kept saying "I've apologised" but seemed to really struggle throughout the whole 40 minutes to actually do so.

He could have come in sheepish, said I've been an idiot and I'm very sorry. What you got was a 40 minute rant about how this is all so unfair.

So can't agree SLAMMED, can't agree at all.

statememnt prepared by PR man-and one he clearly still didnt really want to be saying.