Shane Long looking to move in Summer

[Hoop Blah]

You'd be able to get someone like Jon Parkin or Wright-Phillips, or James Vaughan on loan for a season perhaps. Scott Sinclair (more a winger perhaps), Danny Graham, Steve Morison or Chris Iwelumo.

There are plenty of decent players out there that move for less than £500k, it's just finding the right ones to fit into the squad and way you want to use them.

That and pay the wages too of course, although Shane won't be on a pittance these days will he?

[brendywendy]

rather die than have parkin

the rest, fair enough

[Wimb]

You'd be able to get someone like Jon Parkin or Wright-Phillips, or James Vaughan on loan for a season perhaps. Scott Sinclair (more a winger perhaps), Danny Graham, Steve Morison or Chris Iwelumo.

There are plenty of decent players out there that move for less than £500k, it's just finding the right ones to fit into the squad and way you want to use them.

That and pay the wages too of course, although Shane won't be on a pittance these days will he?

Exactly, Forster, Cureton, Butler, Kitson, Doyle, Lita, Long were all bought for under a million. Plus as Hoop says if Long's on about 15-20k a week then a striker on half those wages will save an additional half a million or so that can be put towards a fee.

What keeps sticking in my mind about Long is while his goals do win us matches, I very rarely find myself saying Long 'won' us that match if that makes any sense? Three points are three points but I just don't have that, Longys going to win us this game feeling when I watch him play right now.

[Hoop Blah]

Parkin is a good player at this level though, not everyones cup of tea of course, but he's far more than just a big fat lump that some would have you believe.

[Arch]

URG, where all Dodgeball's threads belong.

[brendywendy]

Parkin is a good player at this level though, not everyones cup of tea of course, but he's far more than just a big fat lump that some would have you believe.

maybe.

i just hate him.

[Snowball]

A, You said it's not fresh stuff, ie it's old news.

B, The other day, I said Long and Federici have said they'll be off if we don't go up, you asked me to prove it, ie that's not true and they haven't said it.

A can't be true if you were right in B, saying Long hasn't said it previously.

The press get minor details wrong all the time. Just because they get his age wrong doesn't mean the gist of the quotes aren't about right.

It is hardly a MINOR DETAIL if the press quote Long as NOT knowing about
offers and the club make it pretty obvious he WAS told.

BTW, logic is obviously not your strong point Hoop. I'll listen to you on football
but your A-B dichotomy above is plain and simple NOT correct.

First, asking someone to PROVE something does not mean you DENY it. It simply asks for clarity end evidence.

Second, saying the article is "Not fresh stuff" has any one of many meanings, including, "It's old hat, standard bollox"

That is, there MAY have been an interview, but you don't know it was this week or even this month.
You don't know if the "interview" is cobbled together from half-a-dozen sources and then "spun". If you want to see evidence of THAT game, read Fordham

[Snowball]

You'd be able to get someone like Jon Parkin or Wright-Phillips, or James Vaughan on loan for a season perhaps. Scott Sinclair (more a winger perhaps), Danny Graham, Steve Morison or Chris Iwelumo.

There are plenty of decent players out there that move for less than £500k, it's just finding the right ones to fit into the squad and way you want to use them.

That and pay the wages too of course, although Shane won't be on a pittance these days will he?

Fatty Parkin? Are we that bad? 30 years old this season, over the top, beyond his peak, in slow decline etc.

334 Appearances, 89 goals 30 of those for Macclesfield. Is that forward thinking or "ambition"? As a foil for
a developing player like Long, sure, but not as his replacement.

Wright Phillips we already rejected as medically unfit.

Season's loans, no thanks. Graham, Morisson would cost a lot more than 500K, surely. And how come Long is 3M+
but his equivalent replacement is only 500K. Does that not suggest some very strange economics to you?

[facaldaqui]

what kind of striker are we going to get with the 1/2 million of the 4 million we are allowed to spend though?
thats the big question

Blackpool are showing the sort of players you can cobble together for not too much: DJ Campbell, Reg Varney, Marlon Harewood, Jason Puncheon, James Beattie. I'm surprised that McDermott doesn't seem interested in picking up proven goalscorers at this level--even on loan-- but only wants to develop our own. After all, he doesn't mind picking up experienced defenders. Personally, I'd bite anyone's hand off who offered us 3 million or more for Shane (so long as it wasn't on the last day of a window). I'd also take anything above a million for Church. In both cases, I feel we'd be continuing our recent knack for selling players for more than they're worth.

[facaldaqui]

You'd be able to get someone like Jon Parkin or Wright-Phillips, or James Vaughan on loan for a season perhaps. Scott Sinclair (more a winger perhaps), Danny Graham, Steve Morison or Chris Iwelumo.

There are plenty of decent players out there that move for less than £500k, it's just finding the right ones to fit into the squad and way you want to use them.

That and pay the wages too of course, although Shane won't be on a pittance these days will he?

Fatty Parkin? Are we that bad? 30 years old this season, over the top, beyond his peak, in slow decline etc.

334 Appearances, 89 goals 30 of those for Macclesfield. Is that forward thinking or "ambition"? As a foil for
a developing player like Long, sure, but not as his replacement.

Wright Phillips we already rejected as medically unfit.

Season's loans, no thanks. Graham, Morisson would cost a lot more than 500K, surely. And how come Long is 3M+
but his equivalent replacement is only 500K. Does that not suggest some very strange economics to you?

It does. But how much you pay for a player doesn't always reflect his ability, and vice versa. Unfashionable players often do a good job for relatively low fees. And then there are perennially overpriced players: I wouldn't want to be paying £300 grand plus to borrow Jimmy Bullard for half a season, for example.

[Snowball]

[quote="Wimb"][



were all bought for under a million. P/quote]

Bought 1999 Forster 650K, TWELVE years ago!!
Bought 2000 Cureton,
Bought 2000 Butler - 750K
Bought 2003 Kitson, 150K, lower-league bit of a punt.
Bought 2005 Doyle, a PUNT
Bought 2005 Lita, I thought it was for a million? 170 Apps, 44 Goals at our level
Bought 2005 Long, an even bigger punt


The most recent of that lot is 2005, six years ago.

What would these players cost time-shifted by 6-12 years?

Matty Fryatt, IMO a good player but with a checkered history, just went for 1.2 Million
Charlie Austin, still to prove himself at Championship level, at least that much

[Hoop Blah]

Fatty Parkin? Are we that bad? 30 years old this season, over the top, beyond his peak, in slow decline etc.

334 Appearances, 89 goals 30 of those for Macclesfield. Is that forward thinking or "ambition"? As a foil for
a developing player like Long, sure, but not as his replacement.

Wright Phillips we already rejected as medically unfit.

Season's loans, no thanks. Graham, Morisson would cost a lot more than 500K, surely. And how come Long is 3M+
but his equivalent replacement is only 500K. Does that not suggest some very strange economics to you?

They are examples of decent Championship players who are around for £500k.

As for slating Parkin. He's scored consistently in the Championship (c. 1 in 3 for Preston) and is about a lot more than just goals. Yes he's 30, but 2 years of him plus a few million in the bank when Long wants to depart isn't bad business.

It's an example of what can work, a bit like selling Sigurdsson and bringing in Harte and Kishanishvili to strengthen the balance of the side.

[Snowball]

what kind of striker are we going to get with the 1/2 million of the 4 million we are allowed to spend though?
thats the big question

Blackpool are showing the sort of players you can cobble together for not too much: DJ Campbell, Reg Varney, Marlon Harewood, Jason Puncheon, James Beattie. I'm surprised that McDermott doesn't seem interested in picking up proven goalscorers at this level--even on loan-- but only wants to develop our own.

A minute ago the fee was half-a-million

On 20 July 2007, Campbell signed a four-year contract with Championship club Leicester City for an initial fee of £1.6 million, which could have risen to £2.1 million. He went to Blackpool for 1.2M

Harewood was a 4M sale to Villa

Puncheon 220 Apps 36 goals? 26 of those Goals for Barnet and MK Dons

Beattie a former £6M man who hasn't scored a goal in a season and a half. 392 Apps, 124 Goals

[Hoop Blah]

A, You said it's not fresh stuff, ie it's old news.

B, The other day, I said Long and Federici have said they'll be off if we don't go up, you asked me to prove it, ie that's not true and they haven't said it.

A can't be true if you were right in B, saying Long hasn't said it previously.

The press get minor details wrong all the time. Just because they get his age wrong doesn't mean the gist of the quotes aren't about right.

It is hardly a MINOR DETAIL if the press quote Long as NOT knowing about
offers and the club make it pretty obvious he WAS told.

BTW, logic is obviously not your strong point Hoop. I'll listen to you on football
but your A-B dichotomy above is plain and simple NOT correct.

First, asking someone to PROVE something does not mean you DENY it. It simply asks for clarity end evidence.

Second, saying the article is "Not fresh stuff" has any one of many meanings, including, "It's old hat, standard bollox"

That is, there MAY have been an interview, but you don't know it was this week or even this month.
You don't know if the "interview" is cobbled together from half-a-dozen sources and then "spun". If you want to see evidence of THAT game, read Fordham

His age is a minor detail in the grander scheme of things.

Long may well have been trying to get rid of the journo and given him some throw away lines, or didn't want to admit to who came in for him and his personal discussions with the club. He might even have forgotten about the details. We don't know.

As for my logic, it's pretty sound thanks. You can wriggle and twist all you like, but you know you were questioning the accuracy of my comment about their expressed intentions and you know that above you were saying this was nothing new.

One day you might accept you're wrong or just being argumentative for the sake of it. I won't hold my breath though.

[Wimb]

Not suggesting that we'll get that lucky but it CAN be done, fees are all relative to the time/circumstance. BWP was going to cost us just £300k for example, Charlie Austin cost Swindon peanuts, Simon Cox the same etc etc.

You take more of a risk by not spending big, and on players not proven at this level but you still have a chance of striking it lucky just like we have before. You say it was a punt but isn't every deal?
One of the best parts of this club is we have a track record of bringing the best out of players who on paper aren't star names or who are unknowns.

You've admitted countless times how much Long's come on in the space of 12-18 months. What was Shane's value at his lowest under Rodgers, maybe £500k? Who's to say we couldn't find and nurture another talent for a good value.

Lita was a million, so change my wording to a million or less...

[Snowball]

Of COURSE we can nurture new talent.

Isn't that what we did with Shane, with Church and now with Manset and Williams?

But we HAVE Shane, have brought him to the boil. We got the years out of Doyle
2205/6, 2006/7, 2007/8, 2008/9 and THEN we took the money.

We have had two half-seasons so far, or maybe three.

If we get all this season and all next out of Shane it will have been worth it,
otherwise it will feel like setting the sights ever lower.

[facaldaqui]

what kind of striker are we going to get with the 1/2 million of the 4 million we are allowed to spend though?
thats the big question

Blackpool are showing the sort of players you can cobble together for not too much: DJ Campbell, Reg Varney, Marlon Harewood, Jason Puncheon, James Beattie. I'm surprised that McDermott doesn't seem interested in picking up proven goalscorers at this level--even on loan-- but only wants to develop our own.

A minute ago the fee was half-a-million

On 20 July 2007, Campbell signed a four-year contract with Championship club Leicester City for an initial fee of £1.6 million, which could have risen to £2.1 million. He went to Blackpool for 1.2M

Harewood was a 4M sale to Villa

Puncheon 220 Apps 36 goals? 26 of those Goals for Barnet and MK Dons

Beattie a former £6M man who hasn't scored a goal in a season and a half. 392 Apps, 124 Goals

Well, we'll see what this ragtag strike force does: if they keep Blackpool in the Premier, it will be job done, and for relatively little money.

The problem of how to replace Shane is only so serious because we don't have any other goalscoring strikers. I don't know how we've let this situation develop. Manset looks promising, though: I liked the way he prodded home a cross from a few yards out. Haven't seen much of that this season--though I remember one from Church and one from Antonio.

[Man Friday]

Who are you then Wimb? Lawrie Sanchez?

[brendywendy]

And how come Long is 3M+
but his equivalent replacement is only 500K. Does that not suggest some very strange economics to you?

only if you only look at the one section in the accounts that refer to transfers

[Victor Meldrew]

I wonder what Premier club would want him.
West Ham,the bottom club,have just signed on loan the player that gets in ahead of him for that rather poor international side,Ireland.
on the question of not paying much,Brett Pitman who has a similar goal ratio to Long this season cost just £400,000.
I could see Premiership clubs going for somebody like Bothroyd who has the top ratio for this level and has a better all-round game but Shane is a rather limited player and if any club were daft enough to offer £4 million I would bite their hands off-there are plenty around who we could bring in for less than half of that money and they might want to play for us rather than yearn for a bench place in the Premier League.