QPR points deduction?

[Hoop Blah]

Luton use an unlicenced agent - 10 point deduction.

QPR use an unlicenced agent - £75k fine.

Try to guess which club is owned by billionaires, and which isn't.

IIRC Luton's crimes were not just limited to using an unregistered agent though. It was repeatedly doing it and, probably more important, for financial irregularities around a lot of the payments too.

I don't think the two cases are that comparable (there were a total of 55 charges brought against Luton for a start).

[Platypuss]

It won't be a 15 point deduction now - relegation of 1 or 2 divisions fits the bill nicely.

Excuse me for refusing to trust your ever-faulty crystall ball

You are excused.

Cheerful Optimism >>>> Miserable Pessimism

"Sensible realism">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheerful Optimism >>>> Miserable Pessimism

[daveb76]

no precedent has been set, we were found not guilty. The agent fine is the same as what lees and Bristol City got for the same offence

67 pages for a not guilty. tee hee

Enjoy the playoffs, I genuinely hope you beat cardiff, hopefully see you next season

[Mr. Reading]

no precedent has been set, we were found not guilty. The agent fine is the same as what lees and Bristol City got for the same offence

67 pages for a not guilty. tee hee

Enjoy the playoffs, I genuinely hope you beat cardiff, hopefully see you next season

QPR found guilty of 2 charges HTH. As mentioned, there is a marked difference between not guilty (on the other charges) and not enough proof. We will never truly know if you guys were really guilty, but with who you have at the top of the club, it's hard to believe you weren't.

You felt the need to pay shedloads for the best lawyers money can buy, so clearly there was something dodgy going on. Count yourselves lucky, and try, as a club, not to be such a bunch of arrogant pricks... then maybe SOMEONE outside of the club will be on your side next time.

[Mr Angry]

Luton use an unlicenced agent - 10 point deduction.

QPR use an unlicenced agent - £75k fine.

Try to guess which club is owned by billionaires, and which isn't.

IIRC Luton's crimes were not just limited to using an unregistered agent though. It was repeatedly doing it and, probably more important, for financial irregularities around a lot of the payments too.

I don't think the two cases are that comparable (there were a total of 55 charges brought against Luton for a start).

I have highlighted the specific charges that both QPR and Luton faced with regard to the use and payments to an unlicenced and therefore unauthorised agent.

Luton's situation was that over a number of Years, they had made 6 payments (totalling £160K) to 6 seperate unauthorised agents. After the club went into administration, as soon as the new owners discovered that this had happened they pleaded guilty to the charges; they got a £20K fine and 10 points deducted; they had other punishments for other charges for which they were found guilty.

QPR, although it was "just" 1 unauthorised agent, would have certainly paid that unauthorised agent far more than £160k for his part in a £3.5M transaction

So the comparison is this: the new owners of a club discovers that previous owners broke the rules, so plead guilty to the charges. A different club pleads not guilty to charges relating to rules broken under the current ownership.

The club pleading guilty gets a £20K fine and 10 points deducted, whilst the club pleading not guilty gets a £75k fine.

The only difference as I see it is one club can afford expensive lawyers (who threatened legal action if any points were deducted) and the other club couldn't.

The FA has been shown up - despite all of the posts earlier in this thread about how we should wait and see what happens - as EXACTLY what we all knew them to be; a spineless bunch of useless idiots.

Well, I hope they realise that they have sown the wind, so they shouldn't bleat when they reap the whirlwind.

As for that QPR tw@t coming on here and going tee hee; mate, keep your best wishes; I'd rather NOT have the best wishes of a fan of a club who cheat to suceed. Enjoy the Premiership - your club has suceeded through cheating so please DO enjoy the fruits of their labours.

[Schards#2]

Rather like youngsters who drive with no insurance because the insurance costs more than the potential fine, I can see clubs cheerfully bending or ignoring the rules to get players that will get the to the riches of the Premiership as it's makes economic sense to do so.

[PEARCEY]

Its time to move on but the FA handling of all of this has been appalling. To announce the result less than an hour before kick-off was laughable.
I suspect QPR's barrister>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FA half-wits.

[JoeyJoeJoeJnrShabadoo]

As for that QPR tw@t coming on here and going tee hee; mate, keep your best wishes; I'd rather NOT have the best wishes of a fan of a club who cheat to suceed. Enjoy the Premiership - your club has suceeded through cheating so please DO enjoy the fruits of their labours.

yeah oxf*rd off to your own board with loftboy the fat forklift driving oxf*rd.


Congratulations though on your promotion.

[Mr. Reading]

The only difference as I see it is one club can afford expensive lawyers (who threatened legal action if any points were deducted) and the other club couldn't.

^^ This - hits the nail right on the head.

[Wycombe Royal]

So with Luton were the agents they used FIFA registered or were they totally unregistered with anyone? With QPR it was a timing issue where the agent was FIFA registered but hadn't been registered by the FA at that point in time (he was soon after).

Bringing the game ito disrepute was never going to bring about a points deduction.

[SCIAG]

So with Luton were the agents they used FIFA registered or were they totally unregistered with anyone?

They were licensed agents, but the chairman paid from his personal bank account rather than it coming direct from the club.

[Emmer Green Royal]

So, if all they did wrong was a minor offense, why were they fined 800,000 for bringing the game into disrepute? Doesn't add up.

[leicsRoyal]

Thought the Panel handled it in the best interests of all concerned.

P.S. What time does The Grand Prix start today?

[daveb76]

so as we got good lawyers in we must be guilty? Very odd, we didn't cheat we won the league fair and square. the issue the fa had was that the club claimed we paid £3.5million for Faurlin but on the paperwork it said we paid £600k. After we paid off the thid party as agreed with the fa last September the FA assumed, and i can see why, that we had paid the other £2.9million to a third party as well when in fact the club were just bullshitting the fans to try and sell season tickets and had only ever spent 600k on the player which is what the false documents thing was about. All a bit farcical but in the end we did nothing wrong really and they gave the 800k fine for us making such a mess of explaining it before the hearing.

As said before the paying of an unauthorised agent has also been done by Bristol City who got a similar fine to us when found guilty, it's a minor offence.

Apologies if you feel i'm a tw@t but 68 pages of many people screaming for relegation or a points deduction when they had no idea what we were actually being charged with is quite funny you have to agree and the fact some are still comparing it to the Luton case is a tad silly.

[PEARCEY]

Dave. So in essence your club brought all this grief onto themselves for trying to bullshit their own fan-base. The bottom line is that your club lied about the transfer.
You don't really expect sympathy from us lot surely?

[Mr. Reading]

I think you'll find about 65 pages of this thread are people saying "The FA will bottle it as usual" - Good predicting, lads.

[Wycombe Royal]

So with Luton were the agents they used FIFA registered or were they totally unregistered with anyone?

They were licensed agents, but the chairman paid from his personal bank account rather than it coming direct from the club.

So it is not comparable to QPR then which is what many seem to be doing........

[SpaceCruiser]

but in the end we did nothing wrong really

Is lying really "nothing wrong really"? You condone this sort of thing? Unbelievable.

[daveb76]

lying is obviously wrong but we are hardly the first club to inflate a transfer fee, we deserve a fine for the two rules we've broken but did nothing to warrant a points deduction that so many think we've got away with. the fa saying the charges were not proven is their way of saving a bit of face after all the leaks coming from them about us being guilty last week.

[TFF]

lying is obviously wrong but we are hardly the first club to inflate a transfer fee, we deserve a fine for the two rules we've broken but did nothing to warrant a points deduction that so many think we've got away with. the fa saying the charges were not proven is their way of saving a bit of face after all the leaks coming from them about us being guilty last week.

Which two rules were broken?