Portsmouth how to run a football club

[Jackson Corner]

You start off as a mid table Champioship side spend heavily to get in the Prem. Over the next 8 years spend way beyond your means buying England internationals Crouch, Defoe Campbell, James, Johnsson as well as several overseas stars. 90% of your turnover goes on players wages. You win the FA cup make 5 trips to Wembley in two years qualify for Europe play AC Milan. You then go in to recevership whilst bottom of the league get a nine point deduction even though you are going down anyway. Rack up debts of 150 million but this is OK as the good old tax payer (ie us) will bail you out. Survive one year in the chamionship with a load of expensive loans. And then find yourself a buyer who does not have to worry about any previous debts as they are not there problem and start all over again.
Why do we bother to cut our cloth? As the chairman puts it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13614706.stm

[Toon Toon Blue army]

I sometimes think about this. Everyone goes on about how well we are run etc etc. The way I see it, Pompy, Cardiff et al have spunked money left right and centre, are in loads of debt, but get away with it. Whats the point in trying to run a "tight ship" in football? It seems there is always a way out - prehaps we are missing out.

[Who Moved The Goalposts?]

You start off as a mid table Champioship side spend heavily to get in the Prem. Over the next 8 years spend way beyond your means buying England internationals Crouch, Defoe Campbell, James, Johnsson as well as several overseas stars. 90% of your turnover goes on players wages. You win the FA cup make 5 trips to Wembley in two years qualify for Europe play AC Milan. You then go in to recevership whilst bottom of the league get a nine point deduction even though you are going down anyway. Rack up debts of 150 million but this is OK as the good old tax payer (ie us) will bail you out. Survive one year in the chamionship with a load of expensive loans. And then find yourself a buyer who does not have to worry about any previous debts as they are not there problem and start all over again.
Why do we bother to cut our cloth? As the chairman puts it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13614706.stm

Good post. I sometimes wonder why we bother as well. But we'll have two things these shabby, shady outfits will never have. Decency and dignity.

[weybridgewanderer]

"Its not the fans fault"

I really hate that phrase.

Its also not the fault of the fans of all the other clubs who you have "cheated".

Administration should mean start again, conference at the very least.

[Red]

I'm really sick of how football is run and it's at least part of the reason why I don't attend matches anymore.

What I'd really like to see introduced is a wage cap. Apparently the NHL do this - as well as keeping wages and costs down it also makes for a more competitive league as it's not just the clubs with the biggest budget that wins all the time.

But it's about as likely to happen as terraces are to return.

[From Despair To Where?]

I'm really sick of how football is run and it's at least part of the reason why I don't attend matches anymore.

What I'd really like to see introduced is a wage cap. Apparently the NHL do this - as well as keeping wages and costs down it also makes for a more competitive league as it's not just the clubs with the biggest budget that wins all the time.

But it's about as likely to happen as terraces are to return.

A wage cap will never happen because it can only realistically be implemented in a closed league, which is why it works in America. No promotion, no relegation, no intercontinental competition against other leagues etc.

As someone else said, the only way to combat it is for the FA to grow a pair of balls and impose draconian punishments that act as a real deterant. The Italian and German leagues think nothing of relegating teams 3 steps down their pyramid for financial mismanagement or refusing a sporting licence if the finances are not in some semblance of order.

[Red]

Well yes exactly. As for the FA growing some balls - 'greed again. Nice half hearted effort to stand up to FIFA but they do need to get their own house in order.

[Royal Rother]

I'm really sick of how football is run and it's at least part of the reason why I don't attend matches anymore.

What I'd really like to see introduced is a wage cap. Apparently the NHL do this - as well as keeping wages and costs down it also makes for a more competitive league as it's not just the clubs with the biggest budget that wins all the time.

But it's about as likely to happen as terraces are to return.

Likewise, and, much as I hugely admire RFC and SJM for how we do things, was certainly a part of the reason I decided non-league was the place to be. Then (I know I've said this before) it came to light that the club I supported were £260k in debt and went down the pan in February.

But I wouldn't suggest for one moment that the antiquated turnstiles and somewhat debatable headcounts at most non-league grounds ever gave anyone the opportunity to cream a bit off the top. No Siree. Definitely not.

[The Doctor]

worth noting however that the new owner has said from the off that he bought the club as a business and wont spunk his money away friverously on them. it sounds very much like he will run the club more sensibly and aim high. if that is the case it'll be interesting to see how they compare to ourselves. Similar crowds, club size.. ambition vs budgets, i expect pompey will be the more successful.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

i expect pompey will be the more successful.

Why?

[Mr Angry]

worth noting however that the new owner has said from the off that he bought the club as a business and wont spunk his money away friverously on them. it sounds very much like he will run the club more sensibly and aim high. if that is the case it'll be interesting to see how they compare to ourselves. Similar crowds, club size.. ambition vs budgets, i expect pompey will be the more successful.

Of course he won't spunk his money away, buying loads of players on stupid salaries........

.........however, I rather think thats EXACTLY what he will do.

Time will tell.

[Jackson Corner]

Barry Hearn was right when he said all clubs that go in to administration should be relegated two divisions. Otherwise whats the point?
SJM didn't back him up nore did any other football league chairman. Why should Preston and Sheffield Utd go down when Palace and Pompey stay up??/ They have stayed within there budgets whilst the other two have taken the piss.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Barry Hearn was right when he said all clubs that go in to administration should be relegated two divisions. Otherwise whats the point?
SJM didn't back him up nore did any other football league chairman. Why should Preston and Sheffield Utd go down when Palace and Pompey stay up??/ They have stayed within there budgets whilst the other two have taken the piss.

You'd have to have an "amnesty" or equivalent - because the problem is that clubs now are oftern lumbered by the debts incurred by the actions of past owners. I have no idea how you'd square that circle, but certainly some clubs that go into administration hve done everything right but just can't cope with the financial circumstances they're in - especially when they rescue a club that's previously been shafted.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Cant see us doing a Pompey and writing off the debts, seeing as who the money is owed to.

Fact is that the fans will always end up paying one way or the other.

We have seen many here saying we do not invest enough, yet never do they say where the money will come from other than the Chairman, had we gone up I would like JM to have cleared some of the loans to himself, he can always loan it back at a later date I guess.

[Mr Angry]

Barry Hearn was right when he said all clubs that go in to administration should be relegated two divisions. Otherwise whats the point?
SJM didn't back him up nore did any other football league chairman. Why should Preston and Sheffield Utd go down when Palace and Pompey stay up??/ They have stayed within there budgets whilst the other two have taken the piss.

You'd have to have an "amnesty" or equivalent - because the problem is that clubs now are oftern lumbered by the debts incurred by the actions of past owners. I have no idea how you'd square that circle, but certainly some clubs that go into administration hve done everything right but just can't cope with the financial circumstances they're in - especially when they rescue a club that's previously been shafted.

The way to deal with that is to set a date in the future, say, 1st June 2014, when the tougher regulations would start. This would give clubs some time to sort themselves out, and those who are in the deep do do can try and sell to a mug who would at lease know what is going to happen and not pleade ignorance.

[Red]

3 years seems slightly ambitious but you may have a point.

[savage 4 england]

David Norris and Diomansy Kamara to Pompey..