The Cuckoo clocks

[sandman]

Dreadful game, dreadful performance, dreadful manager. Anyone catch Cappello's interview on R5L after the game where he - I think - was saying June not a good time for England players! One wonders why we bother entering these competitions then if that's the case.

Yet again another performance to prove how the greed of top clubs, and the cascade effect that that has, has ruined the English game.

Dreadfully deluded country who think they're better than they are and blame their highly decorated manager for the failings of their overrated players.

[Royal Lady]

There's no money in playing for your country - they're all more interested in the money than the prestige of playing for your country. Nice of Crouch to say he won't be available to play for England under Capello any more - because he wasn't chosen to play yesterday. Spoilt brat.

Don't you think it's just that England players aren't really very good?

This current team isn't as good as some, imo, but we have the likes of Terry & Lampard and Ashley Cole who all seem to produce for Chelsea. So I stand by comments as quoted above.

[zummerset]

LOL at giving a rat's ass about International football, it's all about having a nice day out don't you know.

You really are quite obnoxious at the moment (see the day trippers thread) take a chill pill man. It offends me to see a fellow West Country man get so w000nndd up?

You know what - uncharacteristically obnoxious is a good description of how I feel at the moment. Just cannot seem to shake the massive black cloud that is sitting right over everything, seeing everything through STGs. I'm sure it will pass, just need to vent my spleen for a bit.

Dude do what I am doing and plan an away weekend visit to Blackpool next season - all Here's hoping some of the youngsters come in and do a Siggy. It's really quite exciting really and I would absolutely love to do the Hammers and see Big Sam have strops on the side line.

Didn't want to be critical though just lighten the load

UrZZZZ!!!!!!!!

[Barry the bird boggler]

Agreed, many fans have an overrated opinion of overrated and overhyped players. But we are good enough to turn out a performance against a very average Swiss team and instead we got an inexcusable waste of time.

And we are in this mess because of PL is full of over priced, over hyped foreigners and we've got a numpty as a manager.

Now have to wait for the much talked about player quotas to start having an effect and hope the FA get rid of Capello in favour of someone British asap.

For the record I think that the last good England team we had was under Terry Venables, since then we've has a string of either hopeless managers and/or a bunch of players who seem to not care enough about performing when it matters.

[Super_horns]

Now have to wait for the much talked about player quotas to start having an effect and hope the FA get rid of Capello in favour of someone British asap.
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If that helps the team get going (seeing as they cannot self-motivate clearly at times) so be it but hopefully they'll be better than the last 2 British managers we've had.

Presume Redknapp must be the favourite?

I'd suspect Capello would've gone by now in most circumstances but who'd want to quit from 6 million a year...and the FA cannot afford the compensation.

[FiNeRaIn]

I get tired of the nonsense spouted about " money", I do not believe for one SECOND that the players aren't motivated when they've spent all week in the England camp building up to the game. Why step out to play badly and get slaughtered in the media and by fellow fans throughout the country. Its nothing to do with money or effort.
I think the England players try hard enough but lack synergy and the bottom line is many are not as good as they are built up to be, especially without more technical foreigners in the team.

The bottom line is we are the everton of world football, capable of a decent performance often struggle against lesser teams. People really need to stop looking to the money aspect and simply understand the fact that we aren't good enough.

[AthleticoSpizz]

yep

we lost our crown decades ago.........the rest of the world caught up long ago too

Why not bitch about the positives in the young (ish) team that we are currently formating

[bobbybottler]

I get tired of the nonsense spouted about " money", I do not believe for one SECOND that the players aren't motivated when they've spent all week in the England camp building up to the game. Why step out to play badly and get slaughtered in the media and by fellow fans throughout the country. Its nothing to do with money or effort.
I think the England players try hard enough but lack synergy and the bottom line is many are not as good as they are built up to be, especially without more technical foreigners in the team.

The bottom line is we are the everton of world football, capable of a decent performance often struggle against lesser teams. People really need to stop looking to the money aspect and simply understand the fact that we aren't good enough.

Epic +1 for that post Finers, I agree with all of it.

[Jackson Corner]

Is anyone bothered anymore? I for one don't care if we make it or not next summer. What's to look forward to? England fans rampaging through Poland making Germany's invasion in 1939 look like a Sunday morning ramble. Our over paid over rated players spending more time taking out injuctions rather than playing football. Three dismal performances resulting in Holland putting 5 past us leading to the same old questions about the state of the English game. Meanwhile Cappello pisses off with 12 million in his packet for doing oxf*rd all.

[Schards#2]

Is anyone bothered anymore? I for one don't care if we make it or not next summer. What's to look forward to? England fans rampaging through Poland making Germany's invasion in 1939 look like a Sunday morning ramble. Our over paid over rated players spending more time taking out injuctions rather than playing football. Three dismal performances resulting in Holland putting 5 past us leading to the same old questions about the state of the English game. Meanwhile Cappello pisses off with 12 million in his packet for doing oxf*rd all.

What a lazy stereotype.

When was the last time there was major trouble from England fans at a tournament? Marseille in 1998?

[T.R.O.L.I.]

When was the last time there was major trouble from England fans at a tournament? Marseille in 1998?

Possibly a little bit during Euro 2000 too.

[soggy biscuit]

A lot of people out there just seem to be taken in by players with big price tags and SKY SPORTS certificate's of gr8ness and think they are world class. They are not.

Look at the England players and decide for yourself whether they are top class for their clubs on their own or whether top class, highly paid for foreign players help them to raise their game as part of a team.

Stick Rio the brain in Blackpool's defence and would he play like a world beater? doubt it very much. Stick Vidic in there and I can only imagine he would.

[Terminal Boardom]

I thought Saturday was a shambles. What is Capello doing complaininig about the players looking tired? They had 2 weeks to recover from the last prem game. Hart did ok but was done by the impossible free kick to defend and by some woeful defending by Milner. Johnson is not and never will be an international class right back. Ferdinand and Terry did ok. Cole is not as good as leighton Baines. As for the midfield, what is the point and purpose of Walcott, Lampard and Milner? Absolutely dreadful performances. Only Parker and Willshere looked remotely decent. As for Bent, I don't know where to start.

Fact is, we are not as good as the media portray or as we would like to think we are. Nothing at all to do with whoever is in charge. More to do with players not playing with more technically gifted foreigners as they do week in, week out.

[floyd__streete]

A lot of people out there just seem to be taken in by players with big price tags and SKY SPORTS certificate's of gr8ness and think they are world class. They are not.

Spot on. The case in point must be Scott Parker, who if the hype is the be believed, well, they threw away the midfield-playing mould when they made this man. He gave away a sloppy freekick and looked nothing better than average on Saturday. Parker is the 'emperor's new clothes' of midfielders; Paul Merson and his cronies rate him highly on Soccer Saturday so he must be the best thing since sliced bread. Actually, he was just a better-than-average performer in a poor side West Ham side who were deservedly relegated.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I thought Saturday was a shambles. What is Capello doing complaininig about the players looking tired? They had 2 weeks to recover from the last prem game. Hart did ok but was done by the impossible free kick to defend and by some woeful defending by Milner. Johnson is not and never will be an international class right back. Ferdinand and Terry did ok. Cole is not as good as leighton Baines. As for the midfield, what is the point and purpose of Walcott, Lampard and Milner? Absolutely dreadful performances. Only Parker and Willshere looked remotely decent. As for Bent, I don't know where to start.

Fact is, we are not as good as the media portray or as we would like to think we are. Nothing at all to do with whoever is in charge. More to do with players not playing with more technically gifted foreigners as they do week in, week out.

Plus, players being owned by their clubs lock, stock and barrel, and so being completely focussed on their clubs. For a great many playing for England is just an annoying irritation, not lifelong ambition.

[papereyes]

When was the last time there was major trouble from England fans at a tournament? Marseille in 1998?

Possibly a little bit during Euro 2000 too.

LOL - the death of a 1001 plastic chairs.

[sandman]

Seem to remember there being a fight in the 2006 World Cup between England fans and the Germans and both sides were throwing objects at each other.

[FiNeRaIn]

Seem to remember there being a fight in the 2006 World Cup between England fans and the Germans and both sides were throwing objects at each other.

very small in modern terms, the big trouble was poland vs germany.

[Stranded]

Is it worth pointing out that Fabio Capello has the highest win percentage of any England manager in history.

Very good artricle here http://www.football365.com/john_nichols ... 46,00.html

[Barry the bird boggler]

The only win ratio that matters is the win ratio achieved against sides that matter, i.e. the Top 10 or so ranked teams. Be interested to know what all England managers win ratio was against sides in that sort of category.