Fabregas + player fees

[TBM]

What i dont understand is for a player of his quality, age and position - why the figure being quoted for a move to Barca is £35m

Considering Henderson joins Liverpool for £20m and Carroll for £35m......Jones to Man Utd for £16m - then you have Torres to Chelsea for £50m. I would say Fabregas is worth AT LEAST £50m-£60m

Who actually values players?
Who was sold for far too much?
who was sold for far too little?

In your opinion

[roadrunner]

How long has he left on his Arsenal contract? That makes a big difference. Plus strikers always go for more, midfielders slightly less so, then defenders and keepers often the very least.

[TBM]

How long has he left on his Arsenal contract? That makes a big difference. Plus strikers always go for more, midfielders slightly less so, then defenders and keepers often the very least.

He's got another 3 years yet

[roadrunner]

In that case, and that he's a WC winner and Euro winner, still a young lad, Arsenal are foolish to not be asking for offers in the region of £50m. Does seem a strange one.

[Alan Partridge]

Players worth what someone wants to bid for him and what the club selling is willing to accept.

Some clubs don't have to sell. Might be running in the black, have the player on a long term deal, ultimately they can hold out for bigger fees. Also take into account the buying club might be a Chelsea or Citeh with unlimited funds, as well as the timing of the transfer. Last day of transfer window = extortionate fees to tempt the selling club.

Getting a player for a bargain fee is usually the culmination of timing both in the actual time you make the bid, time left on the players contract, the selling club not knowing your cards (unlike city/Chelsea) as well as the selling club needing the cash or tapping the player up forcing him to make the moves in getting the wheels in motion. Not legal but happens all the time.

[cmonurz]

There are less tangible factors such as the perceived financial strength of the two clubs, the perceived willingness of the player to move, the relative 'uniqueness' of the player - whilst Carroll was no doubt over-priced, his whole package of size, power, and goalscoring ability, as well as being English, is fairly rare, Drogba probably the only recent comparator.

So for the Fabregas deal you have:

- his base value as a player. Up for debate.
- are there other players like him or as good as him in his position? Arguably a few.
- are Arsenal cash rich? No.
- will Barcelona pay more? Don't know.
- would Fabregas want the move? Little doubt the answer is yes.
- he has spent a lot of time injured, can Arsenal risk his value dropping with further inactivity or as his contract winds down?

Off the top of my head. Probably a few more.

[TBM]

- are Arsenal cash rich? No.

seriously?

You might wanna check out who the 5th richest club is

[Thomas L'Heureux]

In that case, and that he's a WC winner and Euro winner, still a young lad, Arsenal are foolish to not be asking for offers in the region of £50m. Does seem a strange one.

Hang on a minute, they're not asking for any bids are they? They don't want to sell him.

The £35million is what has been turned down, but that's not to say that that is around the figure they'd be looking for. I'm pretty sure they're not in the market to sell him, so how are they foolish?

[cmonurz]

- are Arsenal cash rich? No.

seriously?

You might wanna check out who the 5th richest club is

You're in that sort of mood today, aren't you. Put it another way, do they splash money around on players, are they known for having a big transfer kitty?

[TBM]

- are Arsenal cash rich? No.

seriously?

You might wanna check out who the 5th richest club is

You're in that sort of mood today, aren't you. Put it another way, do they splash money around on players, are they known for having a big transfer kitty?

But them not spending big doesn't mean they would accept a "low" bid for Fabregas......Arsenal DON'T need the money, they have little debt

[Bandini]

It's rather because they don't spend much that they don't need to sell.

[moo]

I fall to see what he will add to Barcas squad. Especially when paper talk suggests Villa may leave to raise funds.

[TBM]

I fall to see what he will add to Barcas squad. Especially when paper talk suggests Villa may leave to raise funds.

Xavi isn't getting any younger

[moo]

I fall to see what he will add to Barcas squad. Especially when paper talk suggests Villa may leave to raise funds.

Xavi isn't getting any younger

Giggs and Scholes make 31 seem nothing

[sandman]

I fall to see what he will add to Barcas squad. Especially when paper talk suggests Villa may leave to raise funds.

The answer is depth. Barca want to build up their squad because Madrid have more strength in depth so Guardiola's remit for this summer is to strengthen the squad.The fact they were playing Mascherano at CB last season was because their squad depth is weak.

They should really be looking to sign 2 or 3 players for the sort of money they're talking about spending on Fabregas imo.

[soggy biscuit]

In that case, and that he's a WC winner and Euro winner, still a young lad, Arsenal are foolish to not be asking for offers in the region of £50m. Does seem a strange one.

There would be a huge amount of factors involved in pricing up a player including does he want to leave, how will he be if he unwillingly stays and who would he opt to move to. All of which would hugely change his transfer value.

[The Rouge]

Surely the issue is that with things like houses there are always tens/hundreds/thousands of people who would be genuinely interested in buying it, so the prices tend to be around their market value, the issue with football is that you have:

- clubs that have significantly different amount of need to sell a player/raise money
- 1 or 2 or 3 clubs genuinely interested (if only 1 then this could seriously affect price, especially if the player wants to go)
- lots of club owners who are not in the game to run a profitable business and care much if they lose a mill or two on a player

[Scylla]

The market seems to come down to Barcelona. Anywhere else he might fancy that Arsenal would sell to? Barcelona aren't short of midfield players and suspect that he will eventually agitate to come?

A fee of £50-£60m would put him in the Ronaldo/Zidane class (Torres, Kaka and Ibrahimovic look overpriced). He's not that good?

[TBM]

The market seems to come down to Barcelona. Anywhere else he might fancy that Arsenal would sell to? Barcelona aren't short of midfield players and suspect that he will eventually agitate to come?

A fee of £50-£60m would put him in the Ronaldo/Zidane class (Torres, Kaka and Ibrahimovic look overpriced). He's not that good?

I disagree - i reckon he is.....his touch, vision and passing ability goes un-noticed whislt watching on TV but if you see him live then you'll see how good he really is. Plus he has only just turned 24 so not even in his prime yet.

[Scylla]

For me he doesn't consistently control or change games in the way that the other two did/do. Perhaps as you suggest I haven't seen enough of him. When you're talking about the second best/most expensive player of all time, age only comes into it if you believe he's that good to start with? My son's only 6 but...