Collective TV Selling

[swansea jack]

To be fair you've said a lot of things that turned out to be bollocks. Arsenal's domination for example.

And LOL @ this conspiracy theory behind closed doors nonsense.

Would you really be happy with Utd only playing meaningful games against a handful of Prem teams and the top 16 European teams...oh

Much more fun being part of the also rans.

[TheMaraudingDog]

To be fair you've said a lot of things that turned out to be bollocks. Arsenal's domination for example.

And LOL @ this conspiracy theory behind closed doors nonsense.

Would you really be happy with Utd only playing meaningful games against a handful of Prem teams and the top 16 European teams...oh

Much more fun being part of the also rans.

I'm against a 'Super League' but it's irrelevant as it will never happen.

[Ian Royal]

I always LOL when people fret about a Super League. The Top flight of the domestic league won't change so these weird theory people should just chill out.

And no one has yet said why teams who generate more TV revenue for Sky an the like shouldn't be awarded?

As long as the away team gets 50% of the purse for a game then there are no problems.

The big teams can't be more attractive to the TV companies without the smaller teams making up the numbers to give them a league to win and games to play. Everyone gets an equal slice, because everyone plays an equal part in the league existing.

Bigger divide in income means more and more predictable final table (it's already pretty tedious), until it's basically a guaranteed win for Utd every year.

[TheMaraudingDog]

The little clubs need the big clubs more than thr big clubs need the little clubs.

Even at non league level they all love it when FC United rock into town as it big £££ for them.

[Ian Royal]

The little clubs need the big clubs more than thr big clubs need the little clubs.

Even at non league level they all love it when FC United rock into town as it big £££ for them.

Little clubs don't need the big clubs in the slightest, they'll always have someone to play even if the big boys piss off elsewhere. Big clubs go, revenue plummets, but then so does the cost of competing. Big clubs are bolloxed without smaller teams to play.

TV companies and public will soon get bored of watching Utd beat Arsenal 5 times a season. Each big club draws fewer viewers than the sum of the rest of the clubs.

[TheMaraudingDog]

So based on that little clubs must sell out for League Cup games when there is genuine competition for a trophy and no one turn up for a league game at hone to United when theyre prob gonna get pummelled?

[Ian Royal]

So based on that little clubs must sell out for League Cup games when there is genuine competition for a trophy and no one turn up for a league game at hone to United when theyre prob gonna get pummelled?

That's a hell of an irrational leap of illogic.

[Red]

The league is only marketable as a collection of 20 teams. While a minority might be more popular, they could not exist in a vacuum.

Just wanted to add my +1 here.

[swansea jack]

The little clubs need the big clubs more than thr big clubs need the little clubs.

Even at non league level they all love it when FC United rock into town as it big £££ for them.

Little clubs don't need the big clubs in the slightest, they'll always have someone to play even if the big boys piss off elsewhere. Big clubs go, revenue plummets, but then so does the cost of competing. Big clubs are bolloxed without smaller teams to play.

TV companies and public will soon get bored of watching Utd beat Arsenal 5 times a season. Each big club draws fewer viewers than the sum of the rest of the clubs.

Which is why it may be beneficial for the big clubs to oxf*rd off for then the FL to really push a wage cap etc... Utd et al can then play the G20 clubs to completely sell their soul and make loadamoney from Asia.

[Friday's Legacy]

It would be down to the small clubs to make their games more attractive to TV companies and audiences. If one club Re on Sky 5 times as much as another it's only fair they get paid to represent that.

It's how it works on radio with bands getting £££ per song so don't see why it should be any different in football.

i can just see bury trying to tempt the bbc and sky with their self proclaimed best meat & potato pies in the north west.
for someone who obviously knows so little about the lesser clubs and how they survive today, i find it ever so slightly ironic that you belittle s.t.a.r and those that give up their free time to be a voice for the fans and to help strengthen the relationship between the football club and the local community.

[Seal]

Whilst one can never say never when it comes to football, this is a long way off being a reality. You should bear in mind this is one (American) owner just throwing out an idea just to see who bites (much like TMD's posting strategy).

As it happens I was at the Emirates today for the LMA conference, and what a number of club execs and managers were talking about is the "Man United gap" in reference to the revenue they achieve versus the rest. Liverpool are hamstrung by an inadequate stadium, so tv rights is one way they feel they can get a competitive advantage against the rest and compete with United.

However, despite the commercial benefits this would offer some clubs, most realise the Premiership as an offering is greater than the sum of its parts, therefore it would never get voted through. The only way it could happen is with a breakaway league (i.e. Super league as discussed). However that will require a huge amount of cooperation between clubs from many different leagues so is a long way off and UEFA with Platini at the helm would be massively opposed.

A compromise may be reached where clubs are given licence to sell certain rights (e.g. Online) separately to live away games or something of that sort (on a specific territory basis), but that will be all that I can envisage changing in the short term.

Long term (10 years +) who knows? Did anyone see the Premier League and it's success coming when English football was in the doldrums in the 80s?

[Tails]

Pure capitalism doesn't work. It all falls down in the end.

[AthleticoSpizz]

Top post Seal

Long term (10 years +) who knows? Did anyone see the Premier League and it's success coming when English football was in the doldrums in the 80s?

Think that was football in general tho' worldwide. The whole commercial world has kicked on since then...Premier League footy being just one of the major benefactors.

Its all flawed, but it is a commercial world where free trade exists....clubs will eventually get the nod to do as they wish.

[Red]

Pure capitalism doesn't work. It all falls down in the end.

It's admittedly a different beast but it works alright for Formula One.

And American sports. It'll keep going that way, no question.

[cmonurz]

Worth pointing out that Ayre's proposal is that club's should be free to sell some rights outside of the collective agreement and not others, specifically the rights for PL football shown abroad, accepting that Sky Sports subscribers in the UK are not buying the package for a specific team. Ayre points out that, for example, the hordes of Liverpool or United fans in Thailand WILL buy access to PL games solely to watch those teams, and as such it might be considered fairer that those clubs are better rewarded.

[Royal Rother]

I'm against a 'Super League' but it's irrelevant as it will never happen.

5 years might be pushing it but 20, 50 years? You are too intelligent to really believe that.

The only way it'll never happen is if the planet no longer has the fuels or cannot develop alternative technology to enable international travel.

[AthleticoSpizz]

TheMaraudingDog wrote:

I'm against a 'Super League' but it's irrelevant as it will never happen.

You are too intelligent to really believe that.

he's a bloody good National Account Manager dontcha know

and by all of RL's accounts, a lovely guy (off of board), to which (having met him) I fully endorse

Like TMD said, It will never happen

[swansea jack]

TheMaraudingDog wrote:

I'm against a 'Super League' but it's irrelevant as it will never happen.

You are too intelligent to really believe that.

he's a bloody good National Account Manager dontcha know

and by all of RL's accounts, a lovely guy (off of board), to which (having met him) I fully endorse

Like TMD said, It will never happen

Of course, National Account Manager's know everything I know where my money would be.

[manny96]

Chuckles at thinking there couldn't be a conspiracy between a handful of big clubs in a locked room... pretty much how the premier league came about. Sounds like another case of 'big' clubs looking to sell the rest of English football down the river, whilst overplaying how 'attractive' their football is and forgetting the basic fact that you need two teams to play a football match.

If a super league did happen, maybe (and when I say 'maybe', I mean never) the FA would grow a pair, refuse to recognise the league's status and not let their players play for England. Not that it would matter to Ashley Cole much.

[Vision]

There's already a European Super League. It's just not a breakaway one.

With regards to Domestic TV revenue the clubs that are shown more often do get more TV money just as the more successful you are in the League the more TV revenue you receive. Can't see a problem with this or why anyone has anything to complain about really.

What I'm not sure of,but hopefully someone can shed some light on this, is if SKY do seperate deals for matches shown in foreign climes.IE Are different live games shown abroad to the ones shown here and how much do Sky gain for that? I can quite understand clubs being a bit peeved if Sky are not rewarding them for those matches in the same way as domestic ones.

As for Liverpool, you can see why they want this. I would imagine they *rely* far more on TV revenue than the likes of their rivals. Man Utd and Arsenal have much larger stadiums and match-day revenue amongst other things whilst Man City and Chelsea have billionaire backing. If Liverpool perceive SKY to be making money off the back of their popularity in Scandinavia for example then no wonder they would want to have a piece of that as thats a territory where they can gain ground on those rivals (with the possible exception of Utd).