cmonurz Still a bit bamboozled by a) the constant comparison of these cases as if they are similar, and b) the inability of many to understand that you need context for racial abuse, not just a word itself.
Wax Jacketcmonurz Still a bit bamboozled by a) the constant comparison of these cases as if they are similar, and b) the inability of many to understand that you need context for racial abuse, not just a word itself.
if they're both guilty then the cases are pretty different aren't they - Suarez admitted it and seems to have been naive. John Terry though would be a racist (also captain of England) whose concentration had slipped but who denied it.
IF he's found guilty.
BandiniWax Jacketcmonurz Still a bit bamboozled by a) the constant comparison of these cases as if they are similar, and b) the inability of many to understand that you need context for racial abuse, not just a word itself.
if they're both guilty then the cases are pretty different aren't they - Suarez admitted it and seems to have been naive. John Terry though would be a racist (also captain of England) whose concentration had slipped but who denied it.
IF he's found guilty.
I love the "whose concentration had slipped" bit. I can easily picture Terry having to concentrate quite hard to remember not to be racist.
Terminal Boardom Much as I dislike John Terry, he is still innocent until proven otherwise. So, for this reason alone there should be no reason to remove the England captaincy from him - regardless that I don't think he should be captain in the first place.
RobRoyal Chelsea accused of protecting famously rasict John Terry by chairman of Kick It Out:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... rd-ouseley
Thursday 22nd December 2011, 12:20am
This campaigner against bigotry in football says remain vigilant
DANNY LYNCH
AS FOOTBALL settles down to the news that two of its stars are being disciplined over racist epithets hurled on the field of play, it could seem like a return to the bad old days, when clear racism was a regrettably commonplace part of the game. The decision by an independent regulatory commission of the Football Association on Tuesday night that Liverpool forward Luis Suarez should be charged with misconduct for racially insulting Manchester United defender Patrice Evra came with an eight match ban and £40,000 fine, pending any appeal. With yesterday’s advice from the Crown Prosecution Service that the Metropolitan Police should charge England and Chelsea captain John Terry for a racially aggravated public order offence – in response to his alleged disparaging racial comments to Queen’s Park Ranger defender Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League match – the two incidents could start to sound like signs of a worrying trend.
It’s important to remember that the game has made huge strides in removing overt racism from football stadiums over the past two decades, and prompt disciplinary action like this is as much a reflection of that advance as a sign of backsliding. This has been achieved both through work with players and fans as well as close consultation with the football authorities. The most unsavoury elements of terrace culture associated with the 1970s and 1980s, such as monkey chanting and banana throwing, are thankfully a thing of the past. Today, a perpetrator is often likely to be shouted down and brought to book by his or her own fans.
Since its inception in 1993, Kick It Out has always been very clear; black players are there to be booed just as their white counterparts are. The distinction, however, needs to be made between abuse because of poor performance and when it’s meted out due to a player’s race, religion or nationality. As football fans we are all guilty of a short fuse when our heroes play poorly, particularly when we’ve paid for the pleasure. It has and always will be an inextricable part of the game. If a player performed below par, then he’ll expect the boos that will come his way. But racist abuse? That’s when the line has been crossed, and it’s as true on the pitch as in the terraces.
As football’s landscape has changed, so too has the scope of abuse levelled at players and supporters. In recent years we’ve had to bear witness to incidents of homophobia and Islamophobia. The campaign’s latest film, The Y-Word, tackled the subject of anti-semitism with the help of England stars Frank Lampard and Ledley King.
There are tensions in society, slowly building, which are permeating back into the game. The battles many thought had been won are still there to be fought. Suggestions the game is returning to the bad old days may be somewhat premature. But vigilance is key. And, as always, supporters have a key role to play.
Danny Lynch is head of communications for Kick it Out, football’s equality and inclusion campaign.
RobRoyal Chelsea accused of protecting famously rasict John Terry by chairman of Kick It Out:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... rd-ouseley
No Fixed AbodeRobRoyal Chelsea accused of protecting famously rasict John Terry by chairman of Kick It Out:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... rd-ouseley
Did he accuse Liverpool of protecting Suarez?
Wax Jacket
it's weird though isn't it - why would a guy who's played 100s of high-profile games, in his 30s, start to racically abuse people now?
floyd__streete I’m a bit bored of the whole racism issue tbh, in football and in society as a whole.
SpaceCruiserHoop Blah The flaw in Terry's I was only saying "I never called you a black..." is that from what I remember there was no "a" between the you and black on the video clip I saw.
Well, that and the apparent fact that Ferdinand wasn't aware of the incident, let alone the conversation, until after the game.
Mmmmm, isn't there somebody getting in the way of the camera to make it a bit difficult to know what was said prior to the two words?
Hoop BlahSpaceCruiserHoop Blah The flaw in Terry's I was only saying "I never called you a black..." is that from what I remember there was no "a" between the you and black on the video clip I saw.
Well, that and the apparent fact that Ferdinand wasn't aware of the incident, let alone the conversation, until after the game.
Mmmmm, isn't there somebody getting in the way of the camera to make it a bit difficult to know what was said prior to the two words?
Prior to the two words yes, but not in between them.
He's apparently said that what he actually was saying was "I never called you a black...." but what you see on the video is "you black....", ie no A.
I've not watched the clip since it all came about a month or so ago so I could be wrong but that's how I remember it at the time.
No Fixed AbodeRobRoyal Chelsea accused of protecting famously rasict John Terry by chairman of Kick It Out:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... rd-ouseley
Did he accuse Liverpool of protecting Suarez?
No Fixed Abode If Terry is found guilty - then you won't see me moaning about his ban etc.
I just hope Chelsea don't go down the route of Liverpool and wear silly t-shirts. Just accept it and move on.
and one more floyd__streete I’m a bit bored of the whole racism issue tbh, in football and in society as a whole. I’d like to see a government clamp down on people who get offended. I think if someone is abusive to you on the basis of the colour of your skin or your ethnic background you should just grow a pair and give them sh*t back. I think this would in fact breed mutual respect between the races:
“You bl*ck b@stard”
“At least I can run fast and satisfy women with my massive penis, you pale-faced pr*ck”
“Fair play! Fancy a pint?”
“Yes please, I’ll have a Guinness”
“You mick b@stard”
“LOL”
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