England fan jailed for 3 years after killing Wales supporter

[who are ya?]

In some cases it's hitting their head on the ground that kills people, not the car that hits them, but the car driver still gets in trouble. Simple fact is, the bloke wouldnt be dead now if he hadnt been punched. Therefore, regardless of whether it was the floor or the punch that killed him, the puncher is a killer and deserves more than 18 months in prison. IMO, of course.

Guns don't kill people, rappers do

[TheMaraudingDog]

Apparently the guy who hit threw a bunch so hard it would have knocked out a bull. The guy wouldnt have a felt a thing before he died.

Wasn't it the impact of head onto floor that killed him when he went over, not the punch itself?

Yeah but he was unconscious soon as the punch landed...so it would have been lights out from the impact such was the force of the thump.

Good use of the word thump.

[YateleyRoyal]

He described the attack as 'unprovoked' and the force of the blow as 'considerable'

Doesn't sound like he was looking for a fight at all. Try again.

[TBM]

He described the attack as 'unprovoked' and the force of the blow as 'considerable'

Doesn't sound like he was looking for a fight at all. Try again.

Ok, i will

Cardiff fan who died at Wembley, Mike Dye, 'bragged about being hooligan'

[YateleyRoyal]

He described the attack as 'unprovoked' and the force of the blow as 'considerable'

Doesn't sound like he was looking for a fight at all. Try again.

Ok, i will

Cardiff fan who died at Wembley, Mike Dye, 'bragged about being hooligan'

Doesnt say he was looking for a fight on that day though does it? The account of the night he was killed show that he was punched, once, by someone who approached him and then walked away. Doesnt sound like a fight or a scuffle to me.

[TBM]

Neither you or i know the facts - for all we know they could have clashed earlier in the evening and the CCTV only shows the punch that lead to his death.

You've got to ask why this bloke would just walk up to a random person and punch him - he must have passed thousands of people that night, why go up to Dye? (it cant have been a coincidence that he turned out to be a Welsh hooligan)

[leon]

You've got to ask why this bloke would just walk up to a random person and punch him

probably because he's a c*nt. 3 years is a joke.

[Mr Angry]

3 years for manslaughter is on the low side without a doubt; I would have thought double that would have been about right.

Also, what is it with Judges who see the fact that someone is drunk as a mitigating factor, rather than an aggravating one? It was like those 4 Somalian girls who beat up a white girl and didn't get a custodial because the Judge said that they weren't used to drinking??

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

3 years for manslaughter is on the low side without a doubt; I would have thought double that would have been about right.

Also, what is it with Judges who see the fact that someone is drunk as a mitigating factor, rather than an aggravating one? It was like those 4 Somalian girls who beat up a white girl and didn't get a custodial because the Judge said that they weren't used to drinking??

M'lud, my client wishes to state that while he readily admits to driving while 3.5 times over the limit, he only did it because he was pissed at the time.

[Jerry St Clair]

Neither you or i know the facts - for all we know they could have clashed earlier in the evening and the CCTV only shows the punch that lead to his death.

Er, actually, we do. The facts relating to the case were presented in court. Your comment that they could have clashed earlier is complete supposition based on no evidence whatsoever.

It was clearly unprovoked and completely one-sided. And would you like to attribute a source to your "Dye bragged about being a hooligan" quote? Or do you just lap up everything you read in the Sun?

[paultheroyal]

Punch, impact, fatality = murder!

3 years out in 1.5 is an absolute disgrace as are some of the ridiculous comments on here. Want to act the hard man and get caught should be a case of dealing with the consequences! Feel for the victims family.

[TheMaraudingDog]

Neither you or i know the facts - for all we know they could have clashed earlier in the evening and the CCTV only shows the punch that lead to his death.

Er, actually, we do. The facts relating to the case were presented in court. Your comment that they could have clashed earlier is complete supposition based on no evidence whatsoever.

It was clearly unprovoked and completely one-sided. And would you like to attribute a source to your "Dye bragged about being a hooligan" quote? Or do you just lap up everything you read in the Sun?

Whether or not he played up on the night is unknown but he was 100% connected to the Cardiff hoolies.

[cmonurz]

You've got to ask why this bloke would just walk up to a random person and punch him.

Because that never happens, does it?

[TBM]

would you like to attribute a source to your "Dye bragged about being a hooligan" quote? Or do you just lap up everything you read in the Sun?

Errrm himself talking about it on the Cardiff forum

[Mr Angry]

Punch, impact, fatality = murder!

Not without the intent to kill; then - as in this case - its manslaughter.

[Avon Royal]

Punch, impact, fatality = murder!

Not without the intent to kill; then - as in this case - its manslaughter.

Sorry, that's bollocks.

Intention to kill or cause grevious bodily harm is enough for murder.

[FiNeRaIn]

He didn't murder him.

[Bandini]

Punch, impact, fatality = murder!

Not without the intent to kill; then - as in this case - its manslaughter.

Sorry, that's bollocks.

Intention to kill or cause grevious bodily harm is enough for murder.

Have there been any cases where throwing a single punch amounts to an intention to cause GBH? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

It seems to me that it's obviously manslaughter, albeit the sentence seems rather light.

[FiNeRaIn]

He didn't murder him.

If the man's dead as a result of an assault, that's f'ing murder, and I don't care what you think.

It doesn't matter if you care or not what I think, most people with common sense can distinguish manslaughter from murder. If everyone died as a result of being punched once and given long term jail sentences then at least 30% of the UK would be in Jail as someone along the lines most people have hit someone.

[FiNeRaIn]

I understand that there are some massive f'ing idiots out there who feel the need to go and punch someone just because they support another team, or because they tease them a bit, but that's f'ing adult life for you - people WILL support the other team, and people WILL tease you, you deal with it and get on with it, you don't go over there and KILL them. This is what separates civilized people from wild monkeys, and other even lesser societies where they get violent over every little thing.
I take it this is hard for you to wrap your head around, but hopefully some day you will understand this.
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That final line better not be at me, implying I have no idea what goes on in this country...because I actually live here. You are just completely brain-dead if you have not seen/heard the amount of assaults/fights/brawls that happen every day in this country..mostly alcohol related. You also get idiots at football doing the same thing. So what is it you would actually like me to understand? the fact that its wrong and unacceptable? I already understand this...so next please...