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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by Svlad Cjelli » 09 Jan 2012 17:32

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Svlad Cjelli What if you stop the game, and decide it's not a foul?

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See, as i suggested, you cant stop the game for that......referrals can only be made once the ball is "dead". So if the ref gives a penalty, the manager can challenge it if he doesn't believe it is, or if a goal is given but it was 2 yards offside (like the Swindon goal at the weekend).

When Kompany was sent off yesterday, it took about 5minutes before the game started again as all the players were arguing and he wouldn't leave the pitch. In that time a replay could be viewed by the 4th official to decide if the ref had a case for the red (doesn't have to be spot on, just enough to justify the card - not like the Rodwell incident against Liverpool)


What if the referee doesn't give a penalty (so the ball's not dead) and the next time the ball is dead is when the defender who committed that "foul" or "handball" has scored at the other end?

Review the replay, see that a penalty should have been awarded and the defender sent off before they scored at the other end?

That way absolute madness lies, and it'd be a completely different game.

Technology for line decisions absolutely yes (as long as it's virtually instant) - but technology to help retrospectively decide things which are subjective and depend on judging things like intent - no way!

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by Svlad Cjelli » 09 Jan 2012 17:33

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Svlad Cjelli Because how long before a manager like Fergie uses a referral as a tactic to stop a promising opposition attack?


But play will have already stopped for the ref to issue the red card

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What if the ref hadn't given the foul? Do you wait for the next stoppage? Or do you stop after every tackle and have a look at it?

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by Hoop Blah » 09 Jan 2012 18:05

I caught a bit of Savage on the radio just before half time and he certainly wasn't supporting telhe decision. No idea what he said initially though.

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by Schards#2 » 09 Jan 2012 18:32

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Svlad Cjelli Because how long before a manager like Fergie uses a referral as a tactic to stop a promising opposition attack?


But play will have already stopped for the ref to issue the red card

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What if the ref hadn't given the foul? Do you wait for the next stoppage? Or do you stop after every tackle and have a look at it?


You only get a referral for a red card or penalty that has been awarded and can be rescinded. Play will, invariably, have already stopped.

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by Bandini » 09 Jan 2012 18:40

Refs would probably stop play more often in that case, with the caveat that it could always go to the video ref, so there's likely to be a net increase in stoppages. Once the technology is in place there will be every greater pressure to use it.


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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by Svlad Cjelli » 09 Jan 2012 19:18

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Schards#2 But play will have already stopped for the ref to issue the red card

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What if the ref hadn't given the foul? Do you wait for the next stoppage? Or do you stop after every tackle and have a look at it?


You only get a referral for a red card or penalty that has been awarded and can be rescinded. Play will, invariably, have already stopped.


Isn't a penalty not being given as much of an injustice as one awarded wrongly? Why have a system that only applies in one instance?

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by RoyalJames101 » 09 Jan 2012 19:23

No Fixed Abode What I want to know is, why does it bother Reading fans so much that United won? What has it got to do with them?


What I want to know is, why does HNA? bother a Chelsea fan so much? What has it got to do with them?

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by bobbybottler » 09 Jan 2012 20:40

classic Thierry Henry finish, lovely to see

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by Schards#2 » 09 Jan 2012 21:12

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Svlad Cjelli What if the ref hadn't given the foul? Do you wait for the next stoppage? Or do you stop after every tackle and have a look at it?


You only get a referral for a red card or penalty that has been awarded and can be rescinded. Play will, invariably, have already stopped.


Isn't a penalty not being given as much of an injustice as one awarded wrongly? Why have a system that only applies in one instance?


Because it's only practical when play has stopped, but why wouldn't you want a greater percentage of big decisions to be correct?


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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by 1871 Royal » 09 Jan 2012 21:59

bobbybottler classic Thierry Henry finish, lovely to see


Was such a class finish and it means I can ring my dad tomorrow telling him I told you so because he thought Henry might have lost it, but I said a player that good never loses it.

The best player I have ever seen at a live Reading game is Henry when Arsenal beat us 4-0.

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by Svlad Cjelli » 09 Jan 2012 22:16

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Schards#2 You only get a referral for a red card or penalty that has been awarded and can be rescinded. Play will, invariably, have already stopped.


Isn't a penalty not being given as much of an injustice as one awarded wrongly? Why have a system that only applies in one instance?


Because it's only practical when play has stopped, but why wouldn't you want a greater percentage of big decisions to be correct?


Because I'm not sure they would be any more correct - they'd just take longer to reach...

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by SpaceCruiser » 09 Jan 2012 22:28

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bobbybottler classic Thierry Henry finish, lovely to see


Was such a class finish and it means I can ring my dad tomorrow telling him I told you so because he thought Henry might have lost it, but I said a player that good never loses it.

The best player I have ever seen at a live Reading game is Henry when Arsenal beat us 4-0.


Christ, you are joking, aren't you?

It's easy to score when you're unmarked.

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by TBM » 09 Jan 2012 23:01

Like Antonio did on Saturday you mean?


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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by M-U-R-T-Y » 10 Jan 2012 00:39

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Christ, you are joking, aren't you?

It's easy to score when you're unmarked and your name isn't Michail Antonio.


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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by 1871 Royal » 10 Jan 2012 08:06

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bobbybottler classic Thierry Henry finish, lovely to see


Was such a class finish and it means I can ring my dad tomorrow telling him I told you so because he thought Henry might have lost it, but I said a player that good never loses it.

The best player I have ever seen at a live Reading game is Henry when Arsenal beat us 4-0.


Christ, you are joking, aren't you?

It's easy to score when you're unmarked.


No I'm not joking, you are just too pathetic to appreciate quality from a Frenchman. Grow up.

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by cmonurz » 10 Jan 2012 09:27

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bobbybottler classic Thierry Henry finish, lovely to see


Was such a class finish and it means I can ring my dad tomorrow telling him I told you so because he thought Henry might have lost it, but I said a player that good never loses it.

The best player I have ever seen at a live Reading game is Henry when Arsenal beat us 4-0.


Christ, you are joking, aren't you?

It's easy to score when you're unmarked.


You're in a minority Spacey, there won't be many who were there for that game that wouldn't agree with 1871. A class above, and his finish against Leeds was sublime. Looked genuinely shaken by the whole experience, too, it's Roy of the Rovers stuff, if ever I've seen a real 'fan' of a club score an important goal for them, it's Henry last night.

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by YateleyRoyal » 10 Jan 2012 09:41

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bobbybottler classic Thierry Henry finish, lovely to see


Was such a class finish and it means I can ring my dad tomorrow telling him I told you so because he thought Henry might have lost it, but I said a player that good never loses it.

The best player I have ever seen at a live Reading game is Henry when Arsenal beat us 4-0.


True dat. Closely followed by Solskjaer when United beat us in the league cup...

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by FiNeRaIn » 10 Jan 2012 09:42

Agreed, some serious noise from the arsenal fans when it went in to...was shocked.

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by 1871 Royal » 10 Jan 2012 10:56

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bobbybottler classic Thierry Henry finish, lovely to see


Was such a class finish and it means I can ring my dad tomorrow telling him I told you so because he thought Henry might have lost it, but I said a player that good never loses it.

The best player I have ever seen at a live Reading game is Henry when Arsenal beat us 4-0.


True dat. Closely followed by Solskjaer when United beat us in the league cup...


Do you mean FA Cup? When they beat us 3-2 after scoring 3 in the first 6 minutes? OGS was good that night and his goal was insane!

Talking about that game I can still see Bryn hit the bar with Van der Sarr motionless, if only that went in :(

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Re: FA Cup 3rd round

by Schards#2 » 10 Jan 2012 11:09

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Svlad Cjelli Isn't a penalty not being given as much of an injustice as one awarded wrongly? Why have a system that only applies in one instance?


Because it's only practical when play has stopped, but why wouldn't you want a greater percentage of big decisions to be correct?


Because I'm not sure they would be any more correct - they'd just take longer to reach...


So you don't think that someone with 60-90 seconds to make a decision, and the opportunity to view an incident repeatedly from several angles, is going to make decisions any more accurately than one ref making an instantaneous decision having seen an incident from one angle once only?

Take Everton's penalty at Sunderland for example, you don't think someone watching the TV replays wouldn't have made a better decision?

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