Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by Gordons Cumming » 29 May 2012 15:08

With the minor exception of England winning a World Cup ( :lol: ) it is my hearts desire, before I die, to see England beat Germany at penalties.

This is not good news. :cry:

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by The Rouge » 31 May 2012 12:18

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Schards#2 Have the penalty shoot out after 90 mins and then play extra time. The shoot out result only counts if it's still a draw. Ensures at least one side attacks in extra time, makes the shoot out slightly less pressured and takes a bit of the stigma out of missing the crucial one as there's 30 mins for everyone else to do something about it


I was going to re-type this idea. Suggested by G Hoddle I think about 10 years ago. Better than the current system and the advertisers/fans
would be happy as more of a spectacle.


For those saying it will lead to one team parking the bus:

- you get this anyway if one team thinks they are inferior to the other one
- you get this (normally) if one team is down to 10 men
- you get this if someone scores early on in extra time
- just sitting back and defending is not that easy to do after 90 minutes of football

I still think it is much better and would lead to one team really going for it at all times.

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by blindedbythelights » 06 Jun 2012 15:39

Prozone have looked at all penalty shootouts over the last 15 years and analysed the hell out of it

http://www.leadersinperformance.com/the-leader/prozone-analysis-penalty-shootouts-a-lottery-or-a-science/

- Scoring zone percentages

- A breakdown of success by footedness

- Save frequency by direction

- The relationship between run-up length and conversion

- How on-field minutes affect penalty performance






the team that takes the first penalty wins over 60% of contests.

-Of the shootouts studied, the team that went first scored 76.9% of their penalties to the 68.4% scored by teams going second, with the team taking the first kick winning 75% of the time. There is an even stronger correlation between missing first and defeat, the side that did so losing 81.2% of the shootouts included in the data set.

- Indeed, the figures add some weight to this theory. Of penalties taken to win shootouts, a staggering 81.2% were scored in comparison to the paltry 14.2% converted when a team had to score to keep the game alive. When we assess this in relation to the average penalty success rate of 68.9%, we can surmise that triumph is a lesser burden than disaster where penalties are concerned.

- None of the penalties hit at the upper third of the net were saved, a statistic which demonstrates that if a player is confident enough in their ability to hit the ball high and on-target, they are virtually guaranteed to score.

- However, players opting for power should be wary of taking a long run-up as ‘keepers guessed correctly on 54% of the penalties where the player began their approach from outside the area, run-ups from the edge of the box being pre-empted just 40% of the time. With that in mind, it is possible to call on the data to construct a hypothetically ideal penalty kick.



- Penalty takers who had played more than ninety minutes scored just 66.3% of their kicks, whereas those who had played between 45 and 90 minutes fared the best with a conversion rate of 75%.

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by TBM » 06 Jun 2012 16:05

Summary?

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by Geekins » 06 Jun 2012 16:09

Penalties are either scored, saved or missed. 60+% winners take penalties first.


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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by blindedbythelights » 06 Jun 2012 16:12

TBM Summary?



the team that takes their pens first wins 75% of the time but if you go first and miss you will lose 81.2% of the time

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by TBM » 06 Jun 2012 16:13

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the team that takes their pens first wins 75% of the time but if you go first and miss you will lose 81.2% of the time


Interesting....i always thought going 2nd was best

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by blindedbythelights » 06 Jun 2012 16:15

Also interesting is that none of the penalties that hit at the upper third of the net were saved - if a player is confident enough in their ability to hit the ball high and on-target, they are virtually guaranteed to score.

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by TBM » 06 Jun 2012 16:23

blindedbythelights Also interesting is that none of the penalties that hit at the upper third of the net were saved - if a player is confident enough in their ability to hit the ball high and on-target, they are virtually guaranteed to score.


I dont understand the "missed" image though.......that section suggests people have missed hitting it up there?!


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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by Royal Monk » 06 Jun 2012 16:38

Yes

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by blindedbythelights » 06 Jun 2012 16:47

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blindedbythelights Also interesting is that none of the penalties that hit at the upper third of the net were saved - if a player is confident enough in their ability to hit the ball high and on-target, they are virtually guaranteed to score.


I dont understand the "missed" image though.......that section suggests people have missed hitting it up there?!



I assumed it to mean that's where the player was aiming. So a high % of misses come about when aiming for the upper corners - makes sense. It's next to impossible to miss when aiming for a Dwight Yorke pen or blasting it low and in the middle. But the chances of it being saved increase

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by John Madejski's Wallet » 08 Jun 2012 13:16

blindedbythelights Also interesting is that none of the penalties that hit at the upper third of the net were saved - if a player is confident enough in their ability to hit the ball high and on-target, they are virtually guaranteed to score.


As if we didnt already know that. Its why i will almost always blame the penalty taker for a save....... its not the goalie making a good save, its the taker bottling it and placing the shot somewhere saveable and hoping the keeper guesses wrong...... i.e. what England do

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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by cmonurz » 08 Jun 2012 13:21

Only 1 in 7 are converted when they must be scored to keep the game alive? That seems low.


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Re: Blatter asks for an alternative to penalty shoot-outs

by Ian Royal » 09 Jun 2012 13:27

cmonurz Only 1 in 7 are converted when they must be scored to keep the game alive? That seems low.

Not surprising. When the pressure's on players over think it, second guess themselves leading to a weak saveable pen, or go for more difficult efforts to try and increase their chances of scoring. Only to miss.

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