Hysel

[Royalclapper]

Renamed King Baudouin Stadium these days.

Liverpool fans were given some pretty violent and nasty treatment by the AS Roma fans a year earlier after winning the European Cup at their own Olympic Stadium ( Bruce Grobbelar wobbly legs in pen shootout).

I know, 'I've got a f**king good idea'.....oh yes, what's that then.......'let's put the Liverpool and Juventus fans in the same end in a crumbling substandard stadium and see what happens.'

It was sickening just like Hillsborough and Valley Parade, really sickening.

[cmonurz]

I don’t understand the mindset that sees people use these horrific disasters (whatever their cause) as a plaything, to wind others up, to score points, just for the ‘lolz’, or whatever. There’s no genuine sentiment in the OP by Big Ern, and my point was that that sort of thing can only be written, and used as he has, by someone who hasn’t experienced such a loss on a personal level. Surely.

Mean no ill-will towards Mr Ern, although I can see how my post might have looked differently – but there are some who quite genuinely can’t empathise with others‘ loss, or a tragedy, until something like that happens to them, it’s just not something they are capable of. If someone Ern knows and loves was killed in a football stadium disaster, do you think he would come here and piss around about Heysel and Hillsborough? Of course not.

[Big Foot]

Have I forgotten the cover up by the Belgian government and police forces about the deaths of those at Heysel?

I'm all up for a bit of baiting but you're not comparing apples with apples, get a grip.

[No Fixed Abode]

I don’t understand the mindset that sees people use these horrific disasters (whatever their cause) as a plaything, to wind others up, to score points, just for the ‘lolz’, or whatever. There’s no genuine sentiment in the OP by Big Ern, and my point was that that sort of thing can only be written, and used as he has, by someone who hasn’t experienced such a loss on a personal level. Surely.

Mean no ill-will towards Mr Ern, although I can see how my post might have looked differently – but there are some who quite genuinely can’t empathise with others‘ loss, or a tragedy, until something like that happens to them, it’s just not something they are capable of. If someone Ern knows and loves was killed in a football stadium disaster, do you think he would come here and piss around about Heysel and Hillsborough? Of course not.

Deary me. Whilst it's in everyone's mind re Hillsborough due to the latest reports, somebody started up a topic on the Bradford City fire. I didn't see you saying that was to 'wind up others'. So why shouldn't we have Heysel as a topic too? It really is the mentality of Liverpool fans. MUST NOT MENTION HEYSEL AT ALL OTHERWISE YOU ARE DISRESPECTING THOSE WHO DIED AT HILLSBOROUGH. PLEASE.

[cmonurz]

Just my opinion. If Big Ern's sentiment is genuine then obviously I'm in the wrong, but I don't think it is.

[PieEater]

Surely time for Justice for the 39 Juve fans killed. At the time, the only extraditable offence was manslaughter and only 3 year sentences handed out.

It is time these murderers were given a the proper punishments for their crimes.

What did you have in mind, the identifiable offenders have already been tried and convicted.

There should have been a better investigation into the authorities preparation and response but there's no chance of that since they know it was a cock up and they shouldn't have had opposition fans so close with little separation or so few police.

Maybe it's time Juventus put up some sort of memorial for those that died, you know, like the one the Liverpool has.

[SpaceCruiser]

going to Heysel on 20th Oct to watch Racing Metro v Saracens

Is that anywhere near the Atomium? If so, I walked near there last year but didn't have a closer look. Think there's an astroturf nearby too.

[Victor Meldrew]

Surely time for Justice for the 39 Juve fans killed. At the time, the only extraditable offence was manslaughter and only 3 year sentences handed out.

It is time these murderers were given a the proper punishments for their crimes.

What did you have in mind, the identifiable offenders have already been tried and convicted.

There should have been a better investigation into the authorities preparation and response but there's no chance of that since they know it was a cock up and they shouldn't have had opposition fans so close with little separation or so few police.

Maybe it's time Juventus put up some sort of memorial for those that died, you know, like the one the Liverpool has.

I had a feeling that they did have some sort of memorial but don't worry old Ernie will sort it out when he heads off to Turin as he cares so deeply about this issue.

[No Fixed Abode]

going to Heysel on 20th Oct to watch Racing Metro v Saracens

Is that anywhere near the Atomium? If so, I walked near there last year but didn't have a closer look. Think there's an astroturf nearby too.

Yes it is my m8.

[Zaretsky]

there are some who quite genuinely can’t empathise with others‘ loss, or a tragedy, until something like that happens to them, it’s just not something they are capable of.

Granted there are the usual WUMs here who use it as a petty excuse for a dig etc. But at the same time, I can completely understand many Juventus fans turning their backs on the Kop spelling out 'AMICIZIA' as though that would make everything alright and constitute an apology so many years after the event. For a set of supporters who suffered so badly at Hillsborough and the aftermath, it seems an odd discrepancy that, given the apparent empathy such an event should bring about, it took so long and so much to reach out to the Juventus fans (not least because Liverpool fans played such a direct role in the tragedy and were in part culpable).

[Wax Jacket]

going to Heysel on 20th Oct to watch Racing Metro v Saracens

Is that anywhere near the Atomium? If so, I walked near there last year but didn't have a closer look. Think there's an astroturf nearby too.

Yes it is my m8.

next door in fact

[cmonurz]

there are some who quite genuinely can’t empathise with others‘ loss, or a tragedy, until something like that happens to them, it’s just not something they are capable of.

Granted there are the usual WUMs here who use it as a petty excuse for a dig etc. But at the same time, I can completely understand many Juventus fans turning their backs on the Kop spelling out 'AMICIZIA' as though that would make everything alright and constitute an apology so many years after the event. For a set of supporters who suffered so badly at Hillsborough and the aftermath, it seems an odd discrepancy that, given the apparent empathy such an event should bring about, it took so long and so much to reach out to the Juventus fans (not least because Liverpool fans played such a direct role in the tragedy and were in part culpable).

Completely agree, fwiw.

My issue was in the false sentiment of Big Ern's OP.

[Zaretsky]

Fair dos.

[Avon Royal]

there are some who quite genuinely can’t empathise with others‘ loss, or a tragedy, until something like that happens to them

There are indeed, they're called Liverpool fans........

[larry1971]

Definately unfair on the likes of Coventry, who should have had there moment of glory in Europe

and Everton who had a fantastic team at the time and because f the ban were unable to play in the European Cup in 85/86 which had they been allowed they would of stood a very good chance of winning it.


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Another sad moment, but unfair by both sides to pin the blame on one another. In fact the ground wasnt up to the big occassion, and again if some sort of health and safety was in place would of been prevented.
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from whaat I've read on the disaster Heysel, was in a far worse state than what Hillsborough was the ground was virtually a crumbling wreck and should never of been chosen for the final but just like with the FA , Uefa didn't give a toss about safety and were only interested in money. when you look at the segregation and distribution of tickets for that final you have to ask yourself why did Uefa decide to allow to have a small section of Juventus fans , squeezed in at an end that should of been for Liverpool fans only.