Weekend Football 12th - 13th Jan

[cmonurz]

I find the debate interesting - for me the rules should punish the tackle, not the result. It is possible to break someone's leg with a perfectly legitimate tackle. A red card should punish dangerous tackles, however they are determined by the laws of the game.

I remember when Joe Cole was sent off against Arsenal a couple of seasons back - he had one foot planted on the ground as he stretched for the ball (and missed) and was late on the Arsenal defender - but in general HNA? came down on the referee's side for what was a late, and rubbish but not violent or 'dangerous' challenge (as per the laws of the game). Imho that's because a clear foul was committed in that instant, which for me misses the point of a red card punishing 'dangerous' play.

[Super_horns]

Bit harsh on Kompany but always likely to see red with today's rules.

Arsenal can have no complaints..

When was the last time Man U v Liverpool finished without one team moaning about the officials?

Seen this from the lineman at the end of the game:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21006202

[buzzby]

[AthleticoSpizz]

The Holger-Nielen method of resuss

[Royal Rother]

Sport is for paying spectators and the spectacle is pretty much ruined by red cards.

I know it will never happen but the game would be better served by just awarding a goal ( as in penalty try in rugby) and leaving it as 11 v 11. Or 10 min sin bin for the offence.

Other sports (hockey and rugby) have made fundamental changes to the rules of the game for the benefit of the spectators, why can't football?

Sigh.

[AthleticoSpizz]

football > its ultimate end-users (the fans)

[cmonurz]

Don't disagree RR, but the penalty try example that you give is for (for example) persistent fouling near the try line - so might be a solution for say deliberate handballs on the goal-line, or cynical professional fouls. Kompany's challenge fits more into the category of Warburton's debated 'spear tackle' in the last World Cup final, for which he was sent off, many say harshly.

[AthleticoSpizz]

I (in the short term, until someone has the bollox to change things globally)think the answer in the English leagues is retrospective punishments (whence justice was missed by the referee).

Yes I know, the damage is already done, the result cannot be changed etc etc, but....for example

Deliberate diving 3 match ban, £10k fine for the player £20k fine for the club

Off the ball violence 10 game ban, £20k fine for the player, £100k fine for the club

Deliberate handball resulting in a goal or goal-line save, 2 match ban, £10k fine for the player, £20k for the club.


...........yes obviously, the likes of Man U and Citeh etc etc could pay that every week (and even cope with the suspensions)....but the lower league teams cannot....and that is where the youngsters (by and largely) get loaned out to/or start their careers.

Eventually it will replace this current crop of cheating melodramatic luvvies who will either have to change their bad habits or be replaced with the cheaper and available options.

Amen

[Handsome Man]

It is extremely rare that a red card kills the game. You might as well outlaw goals as well because they are nearly as exciting as red cards and sometimes take the edge of an exciting situation.

Both of today's seemed ok. The Arsenal player rugby tackled a player about to score and one of Kompany's legs may have got the ball, but he couldn't stop the second one hitting the player, because he lost control by leaving the ground.

[Royal Rother]

It is extremely rare that a red card kills the game. You might as well outlaw goals as well because they are nearly as exciting as red cards and sometimes take the edge of an exciting situation.

That's pretty funny.

[Ian Royal]

Harsh red for Kompany, although the ref may be think what happens if he misses the ball and goes through to leg, it's in direct opposition to the Arsenal player's momentum and a potential leg breaker. And lets not forget, the ref doesn't have the benefit of slow-mo, freeze frame, reverse angles or repeat viewings.

I can see why that might be given, even though it doesn't look that bad at all with the benefit of the above.

[Avon Royal]

In no way could it be deemed to be a 2 footed tackle, and he shouldn't have been sent off.

However, two feet off the ground, wherever they are in relation to the ball, gives the ref an excuse to get out a red card so he only has himself to blame.

At some point in many sliding/diving/lunging tackles you have two feet off the ground ...... often its the only way you can get the forward stretch and momentum (unless footballers can do the splits and slide on their balls of course.)

The difference comes on whether two feet are going for the actual tackle, and in this case clearly not

Don't disagree.

However, all the players know that the current interpretation of the law amoung the majority of PL refs is two feet off the ground = out of control. Not defending it, just pointing out that the risks are known to all.

[Ian Royal]

It's always going to look more dangerous if you're going straight at the player as well. There's nothing wrong with lunging in, providing you've timed it even vaguely well, and you're going past / around the player not at them.

[Schards#2]

It's always going to look more dangerous if you're going straight at the player as well. There's nothing wrong with lunging in, providing you've timed it even vaguely well, and you're going past / around the player not at them.

Kompany's tackle is timed perfectly

[No Fixed Abode]

It's always going to look more dangerous if you're going straight at the player as well. There's nothing wrong with lunging in, providing you've timed it even vaguely well, and you're going past / around the player not at them.

Kompany's tackle is timed perfectly

A City fan would say that.

[cmonurz]

Seen this from the lineman at the end of the game:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21006202

Lino now removed from his duties at the QPR v WBA FA cup replay.

[Schards#2]

Seen this from the lineman at the end of the game:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21006202

Lino now removed from his duties at the QPR v WBA FA cup replay.

Jesus, that's pathetic.

[bobbybottler]

Don't disagree RR, but the penalty try example that you give is for (for example) persistent fouling near the try line - so might be a solution for say deliberate handballs on the goal-line, or cynical professional fouls. Kompany's challenge fits more into the category of Warburton's debated 'spear tackle' in the last World Cup final, for which he was sent off, PEARCEY said harshly but the General Sport Coalition, sensing blood, felt it was a reasonable decision.

Amended to reflect THE TRUTH

[cmonurz]

Seen this from the lineman at the end of the game:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21006202

Lino now removed from his duties at the QPR v WBA FA cup replay.

Jesus, that's pathetic.

Was surprised at the number of comments on BBC saying the lino should have known his place and not be getting involved.

[3 veesinarow]

Even more surprised that an official who has his finger on the pulse of the game with his well-observed comment to multi-millionaire players should be "dropped" to "help" him avoid media pressure. Had they done nothing, nothing else would have been said. Now they've kicked up the dust themselves.

Pathetic.