The Official Fcuck Off Jason Roberts Thread

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[tmesis]

I love Jason Roberts. I think he is fantastic for the club and fantastic for football. It seems even bigwigs from Fifa can recognise this.

He was right about the FA panel.
He is right about the under-representation of ethnic minorities in senior UK football jobs
He had his own view about Roy Hodgson's joke

Why that means he should fcuck off I don't know.

As much as I can understanding the coaching/managing comment, I'm not quite sure how you could ever have any kind of affirmative action for getting on the board of a club.

Directors are almost exclusively successful businessmen, not ex-players. They are there to either provide financial backing or business knowledge. If you put an ex-player on the board (black or white) what exactly would they contribute?

You could have an ex-player as a director of football, but they aren't proper board directors.

[No Fixed Abode]

JR is simply scaremongering in the hope employers take on black people, otherwise they'll be seen as racist.

[southbank1871]

I love Jason Roberts. I think he is fantastic for the club and fantastic for football. It seems even bigwigs from Fifa can recognise this.

He was right about the FA panel.
He is right about the under-representation of ethnic minorities in senior UK football jobs
He had his own view about Roy Hodgson's joke

Why that means he should fcuck off I don't know.

I think we should give them a job then because they're black, not because they deserve it. Honestly, do you not think that loads of black ex players would be coming out by now if they thought they were being discriminated against?

This twats big gob is taking advantage of the UK's bollox politically correct nature these days to fulfil his own agenda. Thank fcuk I left.

Ever come across the term institutional racism?

[Hoop Blah]

Frimpong has now tweeted that he wishes he was white and English fate being asked why he wasn't in an Arsenal squad. The implication that he thinks Wenger isn't giving the black African players enough of a chance.

Seems ironic, and he's said it was a joke, but there's often truth said in jest.

As for black management, it's an odd topic. The 30% BME players is a bit of a red herring I think, but it does look like there is an under representation there for some reason(s) but I don't believe it's half as bad as it's made out by Roberts et al.

Most of those black managers who've been given a chance are no longer in management. I don't think that means BME expros aren't capable, but the percentage would be higher if the likes of Kamara, Curle and Barnes actually made a better job of their chances.

[dizzynewheights]

On this matter he's spot on.

Yes, but the prblem with the guy is he has spent his career moaning and bitching about everything and everyone. So much so that when he finally finds a topic he can moan and bitch endlessly about without people being able to moan and bitch about his moaning and bitching people such as myself can longer give 2 shinty sh1tes.

#theboywhocriedbigbadwolf

[Schards#2]

I love Jason Roberts. I think he is fantastic for the club and fantastic for football. It seems even bigwigs from Fifa can recognise this.

He was right about the FA panel.
He is right about the under-representation of ethnic minorities in senior UK football jobs
He had his own view about Roy Hodgson's joke

Why that means he should fcuck off I don't know.

I think we should give them a job then because they're black, not because they deserve it. Honestly, do you not think that so many black ex players would be coming out by now if they thought they were being discriminated against?

This twats big gob is taking advantage of the UK's bollox politically correct nature these days to fulfil his own agenda. Thank fcuk I left.

Nobody is demanding jobs for people who do not deserve them. A level playing field is all that is being asked for. If the current crop of black UK footballers feel there is no future for them in football, then the Fifa representative is right to mention it. If former players like John Barnes and Sol Campbell have also felt the need to complain then something might be wrong.

John Barnes got a job at a top club where it's hard not win something and was absolute dogshit. That's why he is no longer a manager. Just like 1,000's of failed white managers before him.

[Handsome Man]

On this matter he's spot on.

Yes, but the prblem with the guy is he has spent his career moaning and bitching about everything and everyone. So much so that when he finally finds a topic he can moan and bitch endlessly about without people being able to moan and bitch about his moaning and bitching people such as myself can longer give 2 shinty sh1tes.

#theboywhocriedbigbadwolf

Yourself is clearly in the minority then, because people seem to be taking him very seriously, obsessively so. This thread is not a shrugging of shoulders, it is an attack. Some of the stuff on here is clearly done for comedic effect (and I hope the effort on page 1 gets edited this morning before many read it) but there is definitely an underlying agenda that has to be challenged.

[No Fixed Abode]

On this matter he's spot on.

Yes, but the prblem with the guy is he has spent his career moaning and bitching about everything and everyone. So much so that when he finally finds a topic he can moan and bitch endlessly about without people being able to moan and bitch about his moaning and bitching people such as myself can longer give 2 shinty sh1tes.

#theboywhocriedbigbadwolf

Yourself is clearly in the minority then, because people seem to be taking him very seriously, obsessively so. This thread is not a shrugging of shoulders, it is an attack. Some of the stuff on here is clearly done for comedic effect (and I hope the effort on page 1 gets edited this morning before many read it) but there is definitely an underlying agenda that has to be challenged.

You obviously haven't read the majority of replies to his race deck tweets.

[Handsome Man]

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I have no idea what any of that means.

He makes tweets about race decks, and people reply saying that they are going to ignore him?

[retro_royal]

Its a simple case that white people are generally more intelligent than blacks. GCSE and A Level results back this up.

This is amplified in football whereby blacks who are genetically stronger and faster than whites get a physical advantage when it comes to playing pro football meaning whites will have to use other attributes such as intelligence.

Central midfield is probably the position whereby you most need a footballing brain. How many black central midfielders have played for England? I can only think of Paul Ince and its no coincidence he's managing.

A pathetic fishing effort.

Don't like facts then pal?

When faced against opposition who are stronger, faster, more powerful than you then you have to outfox them.

[sandman]

On this matter he's spot on.

Yes, but the prblem with the guy is he has spent his career moaning and bitching about everything and everyone. So much so that when he finally finds a topic he can moan and bitch endlessly about without people being able to moan and bitch about his moaning and bitching people such as myself can longer give 2 shinty sh1tes.

#theboywhocriedbigbadwolf

Yourself is clearly in the minority then, because people seem to be taking him very seriously, obsessively so. This thread is not a shrugging of shoulders, it is an attack. Some of the stuff on here is clearly done for comedic effect (and I hope the effort on page 1 gets edited this morning before many read it) but there is definitely an underlying agenda that has to be challenged.

You can almost guarantee that in real life none of them would be A. stupid enough or B. have the balls to actually walk up and say to someone affected by racist abuse that it's just "sticks and stones". It's just posturing really, although as you say it still needs to be challenged.

[BR2]

No idea, but if black footballers in the UK think the doors are closed with regards to becoming coach/manager, whether real or imagined, something needs to be done.

I think the "currently 30 % of footballers are black" is a bit of a misleading stat as the average manager is going to have been playing 10-20 years ago when the numbers were much, much lower.

But that said, I do agree. I think there's an issue away from the headline figures where there aren't enough black coaches (and if there's a disparity in the number of black ex-players going into coaching then that's where you want to actually look, not at a small number of actually fucking shit managers). NFL introduced a simple quota rule - that any coaching role had to have a black applicant on the shortlist - and it had a big effect.

It had a big effect in the NFL.
A lot of black blokes got coaching jobs and most of them didn't succeed and got sacked-that was the net effect.

[BR2]

Somebody said earlier about how we stand with other countries in terms of black managers and coaches.
I watch La Liga a lot and can't remember seeing a black coach/manager.
Haven't watched German or French or Italian lately so don't know how things are there but would be interested to know.
How about other near neighbours such as Ireland, Belgium, Holland and the Scandinavian countries,does anybody know?.

IMHO it doesn't really matter whether they have more or less non-whites in non-playing positions than us but it would be interesting to know.

I read an interesting article the other day about Asians in football in England and how the new FA commision has no Asian representation and yet Asians represent a significant number within our population.
Why do they never seem to make it at professional level apart from the rare exceptions when presumably as kids they all play at school?
Should the FA being doing more about engaging them?

BTW the inclusion of Rio Ferdinand as part of the commission was so wrong IMHO on so many counts , even more pointless than Danny Mills.

[No Fixed Abode]

I read an interesting article the other day about Asians in football in England and how the new FA commision has no Asian representation and yet Asians represent a significant number within our population.
Why do they never seem to make it at professional level apart from the rare exceptions when presumably as kids they all play at school?
Should the FA being doing more about engaging them?

It's how Asians are brought up by their parents imo. Most Asian parents want their sons/daughters to go into business or be a doctor so don't encourage their kids to play football or look at it as a career. As for the FA doing more to engage them. I don't see why they should. People should be seen as one, ignoring race, colour, creed. The FA should engage everybody and it is down to the parenting if they want their kids involved in football.

What annoys me more about the FA is their total waste of money on corporate things. Last weekend, they spent a small fortune getting t-shirts printed up for all football clubs and pin badges to celebrate 150 years of the FA. I would like to have seen this x amount of money put into grass routes. Would have helped many a junior club out.

[dizzynewheights]

Not to mention that gala dinner at the Grand Connaught Rooms ^^

My F-i-L was booked in for a do the day before with all the other Round Table/third nipple/Illuminati big wigs and they got bumped because they needed more time to prepare for the FA - you gotta have serious bunse to mess them lot around

[Big Foot]

I think it's a pretty well known fact that most of the black players in the PL aren't British, so will bugger off back home after their playing careers are over and that's why there may be 30% black players in PL but very few make roots here.

[Hoop Blah]

BTW the inclusion of Rio Ferdinand as part of the commission was so wrong IMHO on so many counts , even more pointless than Danny Mills.

Mills strikes me as a very good representative of the recent ex-pro perspective and, I think, of a parent with kids going through the academy structure.

Ferdinand is perhaps an odd one as a the PFA are represented to cover existing players but perhaps he's seen as a good voice for current 'elite' players as, for me, our biggest issue is converting promising 18/19 year olds into good international quality players. He made that transition and presumably sees a lot of talented players fail at United so would have some interesting input, despite being a complete tool.

What's your 'so many counts' against either of them BR?

[Victor Meldrew]

BTW the inclusion of Rio Ferdinand as part of the commission was so wrong IMHO on so many counts , even more pointless than Danny Mills.

Mills strikes me as a very good representative of the recent ex-pro perspective and, I think, of a parent with kids going through the academy structure.

Ferdinand is perhaps an odd one as a the PFA are represented to cover existing players but perhaps he's seen as a good voice for current 'elite' players as, for me, our biggest issue is converting promising 18/19 year olds into good international quality players. He made that transition and presumably sees a lot of talented players fail at United so would have some interesting input, despite being a complete tool.

What's your 'so many counts' against either of them BR?

Drug tests for starters regarding Rio let alone him being a racist.
As for Mills, not a great example on the pitch-a dirty player of limited ability.
Otherwise damn fine chaps and more of these types needed to take our football forward.
I wonder if Luis Suarez and John Terry could be persuaded to take part and Joey Barton for his communication skills.

[Hoop Blah]

Rio's drugs skeleton I accept yes, the racist bit less so, but it's not been held against him since he served his time so not sure it should be now.

Mills was a fully committed player and made the most of his talent. He, despite his on field persona, is an intelligent guy with lots of ideas and the wherewithal to get them across pretty well. I'd have thought he's just the kind of character that should be involved to find a way of making more of the talent we produce.