The Official Fcuck Off Jason Roberts Thread

[Handsome Man]

Its a simple case that white people are generally more intelligent than blacks. GCSE and A Level results back this up.

This is amplified in football whereby blacks who are genetically stronger and faster than whites get a physical advantage when it comes to playing pro football meaning whites will have to use other attributes such as intelligence.

Central midfield is probably the position whereby you most need a footballing brain. How many black central midfielders have played for England? I can only think of Paul Ince and its no coincidence he's managing.

A pathetic fishing effort.

Don't like facts then pal?

When faced against opposition who are stronger, faster, more powerful than you then you have to outfox them.

I couldn't see any facts.

The last bit was interesting and not something I had seen before. I presume it is a personal view, and that there are no more widely accepted theories on a player's position and his intelligence. I would have thought full back would take quite a lot of brainpower. That is a position where there are and have been great players of all colours representing England and other countries, some going on to be managers. Perhaps that needs dealing with in the theory, before it comes out again.

[tmesis]

Most of those black managers who've been given a chance are no longer in management. I don't think that means BME expros aren't capable, but the percentage would be higher if the likes of Kamara, Curle and Barnes actually made a better job of their chances.

To be honest, it's that sort of thinking that's part of the problem.

It might not be your exact point, but it's not difficult to imagine some chairman out there thinking "why should I give a black manager a chance when loads of black managers have failed?"

[Ian Royal]

Management's a bit of an old boys network with the same guys getting jobs despite repeated failures anyway. Much more so than playing. So I'm not surprised it's slower on the uptake.

When you factor in Big Foot's point about a proportion of the black players in the leagues being from abroad and probably from outside Europe too (which is where most of our managerial imports come from - I wouldn't be surprised if we were ahead of most European leagues for black managers), along with the general lag between current player proportions and current manager proportions and it's pretty well explained.

I think an interesting question I'd like to see answered would be 10 years ago, how many black managers were there / got a chance. And how different is that to now. My inclination is that progress is being made, albeit it fairly slow.

And again, if Roberts thinks its such a problem, maybe he should be championing specific candidates, promoting coaching courses in black players and maybe considering a career there himself to pave the way. Rather than looking for media career and picking up free money and medical care.

[Hoop Blah]

Most of those black managers who've been given a chance are no longer in management. I don't think that means BME expros aren't capable, but the percentage would be higher if the likes of Kamara, Curle and Barnes actually made a better job of their chances.

To be honest, it's that sort of thinking that's part of the problem.

It might not be your exact point, but it's not difficult to imagine some chairman out there thinking "why should I give a black manager a chance when loads of black managers have failed?"

It might well play a part but there does probably need to be some example of success set for more chance to be given to others. There was probably the same kind of thinking with foreign managers before Wenger (No previously successful foreign manager springs to mind) but now they're the fashion as we look to take on wider influences in English football.

My main point was that if the likes of those mentiones above had succeeded when given their chance they'd still be in jobs somewhere and the number of BME managers would be greater. As it is Ince seems to be the only one who's getting himself multiple jobs and staying in the game. Hopefully a few others like Powell and Kiwomya will make a proper career out of it and break down some preconceptions if they do exist.

[soggy biscuit]

Would be interesting to see how many black people applied for managers jobs and didn't get them, why they didn't get the job and who got it instead.

[dizzynewheights]

Apkan not doing Roberts' reputation (as a blood sucking, injury prone hump - rather than his other one for being a whiny bitch) no favours last night - tweeting pics of him sleeping at training

[Wax Jacket]

has anyone mentioned the amount of foreign owners yet? if you had 92 local owners I bet it'd be a different picture. foreigners being notorious racists, I bet some of them do think "nope, he's black"

[No Fixed Abode]

has anyone mentioned the amount of foreign owners yet? if you had 92 local owners I bet it'd be a different picture. foreigners being notorious racists, I bet some of them do think "nope, he's black"

Look atthe recent debacle at Cardiff City. Head of recruitment Iain Moody lost his job and so foriegn no mark who's friends with Vincent Tan gets the job despite having no experience. I suppose Jason Roberts is OK with this.

[stealthpapes]

It might well play a part but there does probably need to be some example of success set for more chance to be given to others. There was probably the same kind of thinking with foreign managers before Wenger (No previously successful foreign manager springs to mind) but now they're the fashion as we look to take on wider influences in English football.

Dr Jo Venglos at Villa and Ossie Ardiles would be the only two high profile foreign managers in the top flight before Wenger and Gullit in 1996.

Venglos tried to implement much of what Wenger did in terms of diet and sports science and, from the accounts I've read from Cascarino and McGrath, just didn't make any progress or impact.




(If memory serves, the first black player Everton bought was Earl Barrett in 1995 ... for some reason I remember it being a big deal at the time )

[soggy biscuit]

(If memory serves, the first black player Everton bought was Earl Barrett in 1995 ... for some reason I remember it being a big deal at the time )

Always thought it was Amokachi, tough that would have also been 94 after the world cup. There was deffo some hoo-haa going on with the signing, whichever of the 2 it was

[stealthpapes]

Buy one get one free deal?

Amusingly, the first google autocomplete for Daniel Amokachi is "real age"

[72 bus]

I couldn't see any facts.

The last bit was interesting and not something I had seen before. I presume it is a personal view, and that there are no more widely accepted theories on a player's position and his intelligence. I would have thought full back would take quite a lot of brainpower. That is a position where there are and have been great players of all colours representing England and other countries, some going on to be managers. Perhaps that needs dealing with in the theory, before it comes out again.

Full back is where you end up when you cannot hack it in any other position, i.e vertically challenged centre half's and wingers without pace or a cross on them

[Big Foot]

I couldn't see any facts.

The last bit was interesting and not something I had seen before. I presume it is a personal view, and that there are no more widely accepted theories on a player's position and his intelligence. I would have thought full back would take quite a lot of brainpower. That is a position where there are and have been great players of all colours representing England and other countries, some going on to be managers. Perhaps that needs dealing with in the theory, before it comes out again.

Full back is where you end up when you cannot hack it in any other position, i.e vertically challenged centre half's and wingers without pace or a cross on them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUiS0FScn-4 - Jamie Carragher agrees with you

LOL

[DelBoyRodders]

has anyone mentioned the amount of foreign owners yet? if you had 92 local owners I bet it'd be a different picture. foreigners being notorious racists, I bet some of them do think "nope, he's black"

Look atthe recent debacle at Cardiff City. Head of recruitment Iain Moody lost his job and so foriegn no mark who's friends with Vincent Tan gets the job despite having no experience. I suppose Jason Roberts is OK with this.

Jason Robert is a media whore.
Total embarrassment to Reading Football Club. The sooner he's binned, the better.

[sandman]

People like you are far more embarassing than anything Jason Roberts says. Kes at least has the excuse of being an immature attention seeker what's your excuse?

Tan installing that guy in place of Moody has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact Tan is a raving loon. As anyone who saw him and the Hull owner on the TV congratulating each other on their brilliant ideas on changing their clubs shirt colour and name will attest to.

[AthleticoSpizz]

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The best post on here


and all it took was an edit

[King of Sting]

(If memory serves, the first black player Everton bought was Earl Barrett in 1995 ... for some reason I remember it being a big deal at the time )

Always thought it was Amokachi, tough that would have also been 94 after the world cup. There was deffo some hoo-haa going on with the signing, whichever of the 2 it was

Everton had a black player in the mid seventies who played about 12 times over a couple of seasons. His name was Cliff Marshall. By the early 90's just about every top flight club in the country had at least one black player in their squad apart from Everton who had none since Marshall left around 1976. Urban legend around these parts says that when the Everton chairman was asked if the reason they had no black players was because the club was racist he referred to Marshall saying "Everton racist ? We were one of the first clubs to sign a c**n!"
Disgraceful if true.

[leon]

Is this where the GF racists hang out?

Really chaps, you need to take a look at yourselves. Poor stuff. Educationally sub normal mostly.

[stealthpapes]

(If memory serves, the first black player Everton bought was Earl Barrett in 1995 ... for some reason I remember it being a big deal at the time )

Always thought it was Amokachi, tough that would have also been 94 after the world cup. There was deffo some hoo-haa going on with the signing, whichever of the 2 it was

Everton had a black player in the mid seventies who played about 12 times over a couple of seasons. His name was Cliff Marshall. By the early 90's just about every top flight club in the country had at least one black player in their squad apart from Everton who had none since Marshall left around 1976. Urban legend around these parts says that when the Everton chairman was asked if the reason they had no black players was because the club was racist he referred to Marshall saying "Everton racist ? We were one of the first clubs to sign a c**n!"
Disgraceful if true.

I'd heard similar tbh.

[No Fixed Abode]

Tan installing that guy in place of Moody has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact Tan is a raving loon.

How do you know this? If the said head of recruitment was black and lost his job to a white person, you wouldn't be surprised if the race card was played. Just because it's a person of white origin being replaced by a foreign chap = doesn't mean there is no racism involved. In fact, it's just as bad in all honesty. Giving someone who is clearly not qualified for the position the job just because he's a friend of Tans son.