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[retro_royal]

What makes me laugh is people laughing at Moyes as it shows them up as being clueless.

Please explain how he is not getting the best out of the previously regarded good player RVP who has 13 goals in 16 games this season?

[Victor Meldrew]

What makes me laugh is people laughing at Moyes as it shows them up as being clueless.

Please explain how he is not getting the best out of the previously regarded good player RVP who has 13 goals in 16 games this season?

So you are a fan of Moyes then-good of you to "come out" and tell us about the one player who is still doing the business.
BTW have you just woken up from that borefest last night?
Once considered the great entertainers of the Best, Charlton, Law era and now a laughing stock, all in the space of a few months.
This fall from grace is even bigger than that of Blackburn especially when you have spent £60 million or so on new players and retained all of those from last year's championship-winning side.

[No Fixed Abode]

What makes me laugh is people laughing at Moyes as it shows them up as being clueless.

Please explain how he is not getting the best out of the previously regarded good player RVP who has 13 goals in 16 games this season?

So you are a fan of Moyes then-good of you to "come out" and tell us about the one player who is still doing the business.
BTW have you just woken up from that borefest last night?
Once considered the great entertainers of the Best, Charlton, Law era and now a laughing stock, all in the space of a few months.
This fall from grace is even bigger than that of Blackburn especially when you have spent £60 million or so on new players and retained all of those from last year's championship-winning side.

Let's w8 and see shall we. They've had about 7 months of demise. Wonder if they'll catch Liverpool's 24 years of demise.

[retro_royal]

What makes me laugh is people laughing at Moyes as it shows them up as being clueless.

Please explain how he is not getting the best out of the previously regarded good player RVP who has 13 goals in 16 games this season?

So you are a fan of Moyes then-good of you to "come out" and tell us about the one player who is still doing the business.
BTW have you just woken up from that borefest last night?
Once considered the great entertainers of the Best, Charlton, Law era and now a laughing stock, all in the space of a few months.
This fall from grace is even bigger than that of Blackburn especially when you have spent £60 million or so on new players and retained all of those from last year's championship-winning side.

We'll have the last laugh. Not this season but we will have the last laugh.

and that £60m of new players have played about 10 games between them.

clueless.

[King of Sting]

The Maurading Kes (or is it Retro Abode) seems a touch Rattloled about United today.

[Victor Meldrew]

What makes me laugh is people laughing at Moyes as it shows them up as being clueless.

Please explain how he is not getting the best out of the previously regarded good player RVP who has 13 goals in 16 games this season?

So you are a fan of Moyes then-good of you to "come out" and tell us about the one player who is still doing the business.
BTW have you just woken up from that borefest last night?
Once considered the great entertainers of the Best, Charlton, Law era and now a laughing stock, all in the space of a few months.
This fall from grace is even bigger than that of Blackburn especially when you have spent £60 million or so on new players and retained all of those from last year's championship-winning side.

We'll have the last laugh. Not this season but we will have the last laugh.

and that £60m of new players have played about 10 games between them.

clueless.

When is the LAST laugh?
This season, next season,2050-when was the previous last laugh, 1964?
BTW in all seriousness what do you put this season's poor performance down to?
At best I think, like a good flat jockey being worth about half a length and a jump jockey between 1 and 2 lengths a top manager might be worth 6 or 7 points in a season (it's the players that really matter) so even that wouldn't have Man Utd in the top 4.
From the outside it really does look as though Moyes can't inspire the players, players that really shouldn't need inspiring as reigning champions.

Is it just that Cleverley, Jones and Smalling for example have failed to step up to the plate with Rio and Vidic being one year nearer retirement?
Whatever happened to Nani who, in the past has at times looked like the best winger in the country?
How quickly has Young gone downhill and become nothing more than an embarrassing diver?
The one bright light IMHO is De Gea who I said when he was bought would turn out to be a top keeper in England (when so many were saying that he would never be up to it) and the Kosovan (or is he Belgian? ) winger who just might live up to the hype if he cuts out the diving but a salutary warning-Jones, Smalling, Cleverley and the 2 munchkins were hyped as being big stars of the future.

I'll just continue to wish you bad luck (something that Moyes embarrassingly goes on about far too often) for the immediate and even long-term future.

[creative_username_1]

Impossible to test what would have happened had Fergie been here. They make fluke the CLol (think Liverpool 2005)
and rescue the season for Moyes.


Nani is injured. Has all the talent you need to be world class but isn't

Young and Valencia are not United quality wingers (Giggs, Beckham, Ronaldo etc)

Smalling could be a really good defender just needs to improve his distribution

Jones needs to play in one position and stick with it. 4th place is gone, stick Jones/Smalling/Evans at CB and se if they're good enough for rest of season.May even prove they could be a partnership for England

DDG as you say VM is a very good keeper

Cleverley squad (England & Utd) player at best (and then in midfield three)

[King of Sting]

Impossible to test what would have happened had Fergie been here. They make fluke the CLol (think Chelsea 2012)

fixed for accuracy.

[sandman]

2 years to replace Scholes with a world class midfielder and they didn't do it, consequently their midfield is the poorest it's been for a couple of decades. The signing of Mata may fix that given time but the damage to this season appears to be done. Another short term fix last season with the signing of the previously injury prone Van Persie who is now back to being injury prone and the wrong side of his 30th Birthday. Oh and an ageing back four with inadequate replacements for the two ageing first choice central backs and left back..

Obviously Moyes hasn't done a great job there so far but why hasn't Ferguson's record over the last few years of his management been brought into question more?

[creative_username_1]

Last seven seasons for Fergie

appearing in 3 CL Finals, winning one
Winning 5 of the last 7 titles
Current Champions
2 league cups

Agree there may have been issues brewing but you can't question his record

[sandman]

It's a more than decent record for any manager but it's the last two years where the focus should be. Sounds strange but you need to look past his record as that's why he's getting very little blame, because of who he is and his trophy count.

[creative_username_1]

Came first and second. Who knows who he would have managed to bring in over the summer, how players would be playing if he was still there

Absolutely no way of testing what may have happened

[King of Sting]

Came first and second. Who knows who he would have managed to bring in over the summer, how players would be playing if he was still there

Absolutely no way of testing what may have happened

Correct. So instead we should look at what is actually happening. Moyes doing a fine job for me. 5 more years please.

[No Fixed Abode]

Impossible to test what would have happened had Fergie been here. They make fluke the CLol (think Chelsea 2012)

fixed for accuracy.

Err. Ghost goal, Anfield. Massive fluke.

[King of Sting]

Impossible to test what would have happened had Fergie been here. They make fluke the CLol (think Chelsea 2012)

fixed for accuracy.

Err. Ghost goal, Anfield. Massive fluke.

Err, Ref has since come out and said if he hadn't given a goal it was a penalty and a straight red for cech. So down to 10 men, a reserve goalie and 80% chance of a goal anyway. Got off lightly. Also there is no such thing as a ghost goal. The ref gave a goal, end of.
Still moaning about a goal from 9 (nine) years ago

[sandman]

Came first and second. Who knows who he would have managed to bring in over the summer, how players would be playing if he was still there.

Absolutely no way of testing what may have happened

Thing is what happened last summer was tested, it first happened a couple of seasons ago. Scholes retired, the midfield was weakened, they didn't really replace him and the only solution that Ferguson came up with when they were struggling was to bring Scholes out of retirement. The fact Man City didn't blow them completely out of the water in those two seasons was mainly down to Man City. The past two years at that club have built up to this, as Roy Keane said recently they've "cut corners" and used short term solutions. You'll probably say "Keane is just bitter at Ferguson" and that may very well be the case but that doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong either.

Ferguson left a big legacy there obviously but he let the foundations weaken for his successor.

[creative_username_1]

Liverpool had a fair bit of luck that season getting through the rounds. They finished 4th to qualify and ended up in 5th
so they weren't that good a team. The final, i don't consider lucky. They were 3 down but came back.

It's pretty tight at the top so can't write them off this season.

[King of Sting]

Liverpool had a fair bit of luck that season getting through the rounds. They finished 4th to qualify and ended up in 5th
so they weren't that good a team. The final, i don't consider lucky. They were 3 down but came back.

It's pretty tight at the top so can't write them off this season.

They definitely were not that good a team. I only posted the Chelsea thing to get The Marauding Abode to bite. He didn't let me down.

[creative_username_1]

Came first and second. Who knows who he would have managed to bring in over the summer, how players would be playing if he was still there.

Absolutely no way of testing what may have happened

Thing is what happened last summer was tested, it first happened a couple of seasons ago. Scholes retired, the midfield was weakened, they didn't really replace him and the only solution that Ferguson came up with when they were struggling was to bring Scholes out of retirement. The fact Man City didn't blow them completely out of the water in those two seasons was mainly down to Man City. The past two years at that club have built up to this, as Roy Keane said recently they've "cut corners" and used short term solutions. You'll probably say "Keane is just bitter at Ferguson" and that may very well be the case but that doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong either.

Ferguson left a big legacy there obviously but he let the foundations weaken for his successor.

You're not testing exactly the same thing in exactly the same timeline so you have no idea what would have happened.

Can you prove to me that it was down to Man City...can we go back in time to the point you consider it started going wrong
change the variables and then test out what would have happened

You may be right about Ferguson but it's subjective and you know (like myself or Roy Keane) pretty much fcuk all about the what ifs

[retro_royal]

To blame Moyes is just laughable and shows that you are a moron. Unfortunately a fair few 'United fans' seem to have this view. Thankfully the match going ones don't.

Moyes has been dealt a hard hand this season. The key to last season. Rio had gone, Vidic and Evans who was our best defender last season injured a lot. Carrick's form has dropped, no Scholes and not much of RVP.

The two new signings haven't had a run in the side yet so sadly this season is a write off and I don't think Moyes should be judged on this.

Keane is right, we've cut corners for the last 8 years in bringing in new players.

It must be hard being a Scouser constantly looking forward to next season but if we can get 2 defenders and 2 new very good midfielders we'll challenge for the title again.